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  • Dosumpthin
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    Was floyd dehydrated? Does it matter???

    If you understand WHY the rules are there and HOW they apply, regarding iv use, it really doesn't matter if floyd was dehydrated at all.


    A. USADA stance on iv use and my opinion on why


    "Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "

    Substance : Dietary supplements and Vitamin ****tails

    Reason : recuperation, recovery OR lifestyle

    USADA : This is ok as long as you let us know when you are doing an iv before giving a sample (hence prior tue approval)

    Issue : ivs are commonplace and is the cause of major debates.* Ivs can also be used to distort results and mask banned substances.*

    Conclusion: I can discern, without knowing the exact chemistry behind testing, that USADA will monitor their biological passport and test results under more stringent criteria - As long as they know in advance to do so.

    Otherwise iv use would be banned completely and no tue would be approved - outside of medical emergencies.

    This is not the case. Read it again.

    "Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "


    A lifestyle choice is not a medical emergency.

    B. A false rumor

    When news broke that Floyd was "caught" using an iv as stated by Thomas Hauser article "can boxing trust USADA" - I thought it was very su****ious given the points I made in section A. It is the most incriminating scenario - but it wasn't true.

    Within Thomas Hauser article "was Floyd dehydrated" there was an admission of his incorrect statement, that comes out of nowhere....


    There’s one significant correction in it that I accept. Prior to USADA’s September 17 statement, it was widely believed that its doping control officer went to Mayweather’s Las Vegas home to conduct an unannounced drug test and found evidence of an IV being administered to Mayweather. USADA maintains – and I will accept - that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO.”

    This means the most incriminating piece of evidence, that fueled the extensive media coverage and peeked the interest of thousands of youtube bloggers was a mistake.


    In reality, Floyd notified USADA prior to giving a sample - before AND after the IV - followed by ANOTHER test after the fight. Think back to my point in section A and USADA stance on lifestyle iv usage.

    C. Retroactive tues.

    4.2 Unless one of the exceptions set out in Article 4.3 applies, an Athlete who
    needs to Use a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for The****utic reasons
    must obtain a TUE prior to Using or Possessing the substance or method in
    question.


    4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic
    Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

    a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was
    necessary; or

    b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or
    opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an
    application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

    c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or
    permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive
    TUE;
    [Comment to 4.3(c): Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file
    prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out
    at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following
    Sample collection.]

    or

    d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the
    application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness
    requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.
    [Comment to 4.3(d): If WADA and/or the Anti-Doping Organization do not agree
    to the application of Article 4.3(d), that may not be challenged either as a defense
    to proceedings for an anti-doping rule violation, or by way of appeal, or otherwise.]


    I can see how the the****utic use exemption comittee can resonably allow the tue application to be submitted retroactively based on B or D of section 4.3

    Exception B. Floyd notified USADA prior to sample. Gave a partial sample before the IV and completed the sample after the IV. But there wasn't enough time to submit or the tuec to approve the application.

    Exception D. In all fairness to floyd and the nature of the circumstances surrounding an event of this magnitude - the tuec approved. Floyd has no adverse analytical findings and we have a sample of urine before and after the iv use. Floyd passed a total of 19 test. Its fair to allow him to submit a tue application retroactively.



    Summary : You probably can get a retroactive tue to rehydrate intravenously for something as simple as a lifstyle choice as long as you notify the ADO prior to the sample.
    Last edited by Dosumpthin; 03-29-2016, 03:58 PM.
  • Nubia
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    #2
    Jesus Christ beating a dead horse.

    Pacquiao lost, end of story.

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    • Real King Kong
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      #3
      Originally posted by Omowale Tribe
      Jesus Christ beating a dead horse.

      Pacquiao lost, end of story.
      [IMG]https://media.*****.com/media/RL0xU1daTlMoE/*****.gif[/IMG]

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      • ADP02
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        #4
        Originally posted by Dosumpthin
        If you understand WHY the rules are there and HOW they apply, regarding iv use, it really doesn't matter if floyd was dehydrated at all.


        A. USADA stance on iv use and my opinion on why


        "Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "

        Substance : Dietary supplements and Vitamin ****tails

        Reason : recuperation, recovery OR lifestyle

        USADA : This is ok as long as you let us know when you are doing an iv before giving a sample (hence prior tue approval)

        Issue : ivs are commonplace and is the cause of major debates.* Ivs can also be used to distort results and mask banned substances.*

        Conclusion: I can discern, without knowing the exact chemistry behind testing, that USADA will monitor their biological passport and test results under more stringent criteria - As long as they know in advance to do so.

        Otherwise iv use would be banned completely and no tue would be approved - outside of medical emergencies.

        This is not the case. Read it again.

        "Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "


        A lifestyle choice is not a medical emergency.

        B. A false rumor

        When news broke that Floyd was "caught" using an iv as stated by Thomas Hauser article "can boxing trust USADA" - I thought it was very su****ious given the points I made in section A. It is the most incriminating scenario - but it wasn't true.

        Within Thomas Hauser article "was Floyd dehydrated" there was an admission of his incorrect statement, that comes out of nowhere....


        [I]There’s one significant correction in it that I accept. Prior to USADA’s September 17 statement, it was widely believed that its doping control officer went to Mayweather’s Las Vegas home to conduct an unannounced drug test and found evidence of an IV being administered to Mayweather. USADA maintains – and I will accept - that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO.”

        This means the most incriminating piece of evidence, that fueled the extensive media coverage and peeked the interest of thousands of youtube bloggers was a mistake.


        In reality, Floyd notified USADA prior to giving a sample - before AND after the IV - followed by ANOTHER test after the fight. Think back to my point in section A and USADA stance on lifestyle iv usage.

        C. Retroactive tues.

        4.2 Unless one of the exceptions set out in Article 4.3 applies, an Athlete who
        needs to Use a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for The****utic reasons
        must obtain a TUE prior to Using or Possessing the substance or method in
        question.


        4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic
        Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

        a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was
        necessary; or

        b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or
        opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an
        application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

        c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or
        permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive
        TUE;
        [Comment to 4.3(c): Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file
        prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out
        at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following
        Sample collection.]

        or

        d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the
        application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness
        requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.
        [Comment to 4.3(d): If WADA and/or the Anti-Doping Organization do not agree
        to the application of Article 4.3(d), that may not be challenged either as a defense
        to proceedings for an anti-doping rule violation, or by way of appeal, or otherwise.]


        I can see how the the****utic use exemption comittee can resonably allow the tue application to be submitted retroactively based on B or D of section 4.3

        Exception B. Floyd notified USADA prior to sample. Gave a partial sample before the IV and completed the sample after the IV. But there wasn't enough time to submit or the tuec to approve the application.

        Exception D. In all fairness to floyd and the nature of the circumstances surrounding an event of this magnitude - the tuec approved. Floyd has no adverse analytical findings and we have a sample of urine before and after the iv use. Floyd passed a total of 19 test. Its fair to allow him to submit a tue application retroactively.



        Summary : You probably can get a retroactive tue to rehydrate intravenously for something as simple as a lifstyle choice as long as you notify the ADO prior to the sample.

        Actually this is a very good topic and leads me to my PART 3

        What USADA thinks about IVS (their interpretation) ......
        They state that it should be acceptable that if you have a TUE in advance but what if they are wrong with that as well? Then that blows everything out of the water and brings into question the validity of the approval of that TUE!!!

        In summary, if USADA's interpretation is wrong, intentionally or not, then that puts Floyd's approval into question.

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        • ADP02
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          #5
          Originally posted by Omowale Tribe
          Jesus Christ beating a dead horse.

          Pacquiao lost, end of story.
          Originally posted by considerthis
          [IMG]https://media.*****.com/media/RL0xU1daTlMoE/*****.gif[/IMG]
          Poor Floyd fans ..... one can spot them a mile away!

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          • SplitSecond
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            #6
            So have Floyd fans accepted Mayweather wasn't dehydrated?

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            • ADP02
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              #7
              Originally posted by SplitSecond
              So have Floyd fans accepted Mayweather wasn't dehydrated?
              That's funny.

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              • GTTofAK
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                #8
                You need to learn the difference between accepting something for the sake of argument and admitting that something is true. Hausers argument was that even if it was declared to the DCO it is still a violation. '

                We don't know what happened. USADA has still yet to provide a single piece of evidence that the DCO was informed beforehand, they cant even produce a statement from the DCO stating anything to that effect.

                I still believe the intial leaks are actually what happened. Froid is a dumbass and produced the same arm he had just taken the IV in. The DCO reported it to the higher ups and the higher ups cover it up.
                Last edited by GTTofAK; 03-29-2016, 02:25 PM.

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                • Lester Tutor
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                  #9






                  Still the world-record holder for the 100m butterfly (49.82 seconds), 200m butterfly (1:51.51), 400m individual medley (4:03.84) and the 4x100m (3:08.24) and 4x200m freestyle (6:58.55) relays, the greatest swimmer of them all has set himself one final challenge at Rio 2016.

                  “I’m 30 years old and swimming almost faster than I ever have before,” he warned, letting everyone know that he is hungry to add to his record tally of Olympic titles and medals.

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                  • ADP02
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by SugarKaineHook






                    Still the world-record holder for the 100m butterfly (49.82 seconds), 200m butterfly (1:51.51), 400m individual medley (4:03.84) and the 4x100m (3:08.24) and 4x200m freestyle (6:58.55) relays, the greatest swimmer of them all has set himself one final challenge at Rio 2016.

                    “I’m 30 years old and swimming almost faster than I ever have before,” he warned, letting everyone know that he is hungry to add to his record tally of Olympic titles and medals.
                    Maybe he just has the munchies, if you know what I mean ....

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