Can't find online oddmakers for Ward vs Barrera...

[MDPopescu]

You lucky I did not troll you by leading you to **** pron.

OK... But it doesn't even work? I suspect that the Kurds bombed the website.

[1hourRun]

OK... But it doesn't even work? I suspect that the Kurds bombed the website.

Stop playing around MD - you know your not going to bet. Bye.

[HeroBando]

I never said he ducked Ward. They are in different divisions. My criticism is he had the opportunity to be great and didn't take it.

Anyone in boxing will chose a Cotto/Canelo mando for 3 belts + lineal over going up in weight for a B sider who wants 50/50 and no weight concession. Injury prone one too, asking for a commitment a year ahead lol.

[MDPopescu]

I didn't address what you said cause I didn't read it lol, I'm not even in the discussion. There was no point after that first ******ed sentence. Only time you ever actually get serious is when gg name is brought up defending his honor

... do you have a favorite boy in the sport?
... not that I care, but I'd be curious to acknowledge his "honorability"...

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I never said he ducked Ward. They are in different divisions. My criticism is he had the opportunity to be great and didn't take it.

ggg could fight ward for 5 bucks and then kovalev for 5 bucks. oh he's not doing that? hes not chasing greatness! a bad deal is a bad deal. there has to be a balance between the 2. he tried to fight froch/ward in the past and they said no. now he has a great reason to stay at 160 against canelo. a top fighter and a lot of money. ward is just a top fighter so therefore he is going with the better option. any fighter would do the same. thats why its strange criticizing ggg and especially ggg since he has shown in the past that he has tried to fight everyone. he's not just waiting around like khan trying to get the big fight...oh wait that worked

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Anyone in boxing will chose a Cotto/Canelo mando for 3 belts + lineal over going up in weight for a B sider who wants 50/50 and no weight concession. Injury prone one too, asking for a commitment a year ahead lol.

ggg could fight ward for 5 bucks and then kovalev for 5 bucks. oh he's not doing that? hes not chasing greatness! a bad deal is a bad deal. there has to be a balance between the 2. he tried to fight froch/ward in the past and they said no. now he has a great reason to stay at 160 against canelo. a top fighter and a lot of money. ward is just a top fighter so therefore he is going with the better option. any fighter would do the same. thats why its strange criticizing ggg and especially ggg since he has shown in the past that he has tried to fight everyone. he's not just waiting around like khan trying to get the big fight...oh wait that worked

Kovalev fought B-Hop for $500k, walked home with $125k because he knew this was his shot at greatness. Some fighters are risk takers and others aren't. It is what it is. What was Ward earning in the Super 6?

I understand the business of boxing and if that's your defense I respect that. But don't expect me as a fight fan who wants to see the best fight the best take that route.

You bring up Cotto/Canelo....well.....Cotto didn't fight him...and Canelo will likely marinate. How many years? Is it worth wasting your prime on Willie Monroe and Dominic Wade in hopes of landing one fight in 2017-2018?

I think Canelo will fight him tomorrow. It's Oscar I worry about.

[MDPopescu]

Anyone in boxing will chose a Cotto/Canelo mando for 3 belts + lineal over going up in weight for a B sider who wants 50/50 and no weight concession. Injury prone one too, asking for a commitment a year ahead lol.

... but he ducked him, doe... he ducked him so bad that Ward got confused and began chasing an Australian kid who was sparring kangaroos in the Nerang suburb.

[HeroBando]

Kovalev fought B-Hop for $500k, walked home with $125k because he knew this was his shot at greatness. Some fighters are risk takers and others aren't. It is what it is. What was Ward earning in the Super 6?

I understand the business of boxing and if that's your defense I respect that. But don't expect me as a fight fan who wants to see the best fight the best take that route.

You bring up Cotto/Canelo....well.....Cotto didn't fight him...and Canelo will likely marinate. How many years? Is it worth wasting your prime on Willie Monroe and Dominic Wade in hopes of landing one fight in 2017-2018?

I think Canelo will fight him tomorrow. It's Oscar I worry about.

That'd make sense if Kov was mando to champ Chavez Jr on ppv, but elected to go up a division for Hop. Didn't happen, and that Hop date was the biggest money and exposure.

However it plays out, the Wbc belt is #1 priority. Canelo had earned the benefit of doubt, but hes lost it rapidly. Hopefully the biggest fight in boxing happens in sept, if not strip Canelo and move on.

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I didn't address what you said cause I didn't read it lol, I'm not even in the discussion. There was no point after that first ******ed sentence. Only time you ever actually get serious is when gg name is brought up defending his honor

******ed first sentence? how so? you see you actually have to use facts and evidence to disprove an argument. simply saying something is ******ed doens't actually disprove anything.

the statement was ggg stayed at 160 because ward ducked him. this is essentially a true statement. why is it true? well a number of reasons but ggg is a natural 160 pounder so thats the division he's going to campaign in. but ggg said he would fight anyone at 154-168. now did his words match his actions? lets go through it. he tried to fight froch. froch said no. he tried to figth ward. ward said no. his actions were consistent with his words. could he have fought other lesser guys at 168? sure but once again thats not his natural division so he stayed at 160 because he couldn't get any big fights. so the statement ward turning him down made ggg stay at 160 is true. if ward had accepted the ggg fight ggg would have moved up to 168 at least for that fight but since he didn't accept that fight ggg stayed at 160.

i know you will come back with well he could have fought ward at the end of 2016 so i will address that.

as time passed he built up a following, gained more fans, gained more belts/opportunities at 160 and made the statement that he was trying to unify 160 unless a huge fight became available. did his actions match his words? he became wbc mandatory, beat lemieux in a unification, and offered saunders a career high payday. so yes he was being consistent with his actions.

the only fight that was offered to him in another division was the ward fight. now this is subjective to whether or not its a big fight. ggg's team doesn't think so. maybe you do but i would argue that is irrelavent since he is wbc mandatory and a ggg-canelo fight is much much bigger than a ward fight and he was assured he would get that fight. also the 50-50 split ward wanted does not match their drawing power making turning down the offer an easy decision.

essentially what you are doing is ignoring all the context and all the scenarios that are happening. you are just saying ggg should have moved up! what i am doing is breaking down why that never happened. i listed perfectly good reasons why it hasn't happened. the best reason you can seem to come up with is well he should have taken a bad deal just to prove he is so great. ok if thats your argument that's fine. i will simply disagree.

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Kovalev fought B-Hop for $500k, walked home with $125k because he knew this was his shot at greatness. Some fighters are risk takers and others aren't. It is what it is. What was Ward earning in the Super 6?

I understand the business of boxing and if that's your defense I respect that. But don't expect me as a fight fan who wants to see the best fight the best take that route.

You bring up Cotto/Canelo....well.....Cotto didn't fight him...and Canelo will likely marinate. How many years? Is it worth wasting your prime on Willie Monroe and Dominic Wade in hopes of landing one fight in 2017-2018?

I think Canelo will fight him tomorrow. It's Oscar I worry about.

you are conflating 2 different scenarios. was kovalev mandatory for a huge fight and instead took short money? that would be an equal scenario. in fact this further strengthens ggg's arguement since ggg was willing to fight ward and froch for short money and they said no. the equivalent argument would be if hopkins said no to kovalev and then you would come on here saying how kovalev was ducking a cruiserweight and not chasing greatness.