HBO only offering $1 Million for Walters-Lomanchenko?

[original zero]

Deontay Wilder fought 4 times between 01/17/2015-01/16/2016.

and?

2015 and 2016 are different years. money comes from different budgets . . .

i mean, be honest, how clever did you think you were when you typed that he fought one day earlier in 2016 than he did in 2015 and suddenly that meant he fights four times a year. do you have any common sense at all?

unless when he fights two more times this year it means he only fought twice and not three times. or we're counting that january fight twice?

use your head dude.

[original zero]

You call it a dying model, yet it hasn't even been a year since the richest fight in boxing history took place....and only a few months after Canelo-Cotto reportedly did $58 million in domestic ppv revenue.

Hard to say it's dying with those kind of numbers.... numbers that network TV or a subscription service are likely to be able to match.

so you consider pay-per-view a growing business model?

it's unbelievable how ****ing stupid most of you are.

you always cash out before a medium dies off.

pac/floyd/canelo/cotto were made in the old system.

lmk when the new system produces guys that can do a million buys. it's not going to happen. HBO may squeeze out one or two more half assed PPV stars but after another couple years of big fights on free TV, it's going to be next to impossible to make a new star on PPV.

i don't know a single person in the industry that thinks PPV is the future. it's an antiquated way of doing business. UFC will milk it to its last drop, as they should. but there's a reason WWE and haymon went in a different direction.

[NaijaD]

This is actually a good thing, the sport can not be sustained with over inflated purses and dropping viewership. I'm still wondering how Quillin and Jacobs got 1.5 mil each and only pulled in 300k viewers, stuff like that can not become the norm.

Neither guy is well known and the views they each pull in do not support this being more than a $1 million fight. The sport needs cleaning up and this would be a good start.

[al-Xander]

This is actually a good thing, the sport can not be sustained with over inflated purses and dropping viewership. I'm still wondering how Quillin and Jacobs got 1.5 mil each and only pulled in 300k viewers, stuff like that can not become the norm.

Neither guy is well known and the views they each pull in do not support this being more than a $1 million fight. The sport needs cleaning up and this would be a good start.

That's why it's no longer sustainable to produce fights fans want to see. Sad part is Haymon have been offering these unbelievable amounts of money when his fighters don't even ask for them. It gave the wrong signal that Quillin, for example, deserves $10 million for a Golovkin fight. Santa Cruz wasn't asking $750K for fighting sparring partners. Fights that are not even main cards. Thurman, Berto and others weren't asking $1 million for fighting semi-retired opponents. Haymon set a standard that has a very damaging long-term effect, which we are now seeing.

[Kenny Blankenship]

I completely understand the thinking that having all the fighters under one umbrella would make for more competitive fights, but Haymon stockpiled a lot of guys and you can count on one hand the amount of marquee fights he gave us...not many.

He tried, but is ultimately doomed to failure. The UFC model would be awesome for boxing, but all the UFC had to do was buy out Strikeforce and they essentially took out the only competition they had to get the top fighters under contract.

Boxing is different. In North America alone you have multiple major promotions with good fighters: Top Rank, Golden Boy, Main Events, Banner, Roc Nation etc, then you have all the promoters that serve as half assed promoters for Haymon fighters (DiBella etc). In Canada you have GYM and Interbox as well. Then go overseas, you have multiple promoters in the UK and Germany that control very good fighters that make good money. It's very difficult to corner a market when you have that many players in the business.

Haymon tried but I just don't see it happening. He's fighting multiple lawsuits in court regarding unfair competition practices, there's a possible investigation into the way investment firm Waddell and Reed handed over to Haymon $500 million (which is pretty much spent and gone). Why do you think they had very few buy in cards on netork tv in the first half of this year?...no more Waddell and Reed money, that's why. Why do you think all of a sudden almost all of the fights Haymon guys are involved in are ending up on Showtime? (because they are paying real money out of their pocket to Haymon, not the other way around like it iss with NBC, ESPN and Spike).

The gravy train is over. The days of being paid $750K to fights bums is over. The Waddell and Reed money is spent and gone. Now Haymon has a stable of fighters used to getting overpaid, now they are going to have to get used to getting paid what they are worth. He has more fighters than dates to put them on (unless he's willing to pay the networks for it). How much longer is that going to last? Now that the investment firm money is gone he's spending more than he's taking in. The live gates for Haymon fighters is atrocious, they give away tickets to practically every event.

At some point you have to ask...where is the money going to come from?

TMany people talk of the UFC's PPV buy rates and they are quite good. But the deal most people don;t really mention is the netowrk tv deal they got from FOX. It's worth $200 million. That's what Haymon was hoping for when he did his time buys on network tv. UFC did it with Spike, they bought their time there for a couple of years. It worked for them...I don;t see it working for Haymon. I don't see anyone willing to pony up $200 million to any boxing promotion, let alone Al Haymon.

[Pigeons]

and?

2015 and 2016 are different years. money comes from different budgets . . .

i mean, be honest, how clever did you think you were when you typed that he fought one day earlier in 2016 than he did in 2015 and suddenly that meant he fights four times a year. do you have any common sense at all?

unless when he fights two more times this year it means he only fought twice and not three times. or we're counting that january fight twice?

use your head dude.

They don't make morons like you anymore.

Wilder fought four times in 365 days. 365 days is one year.

[Medinabcheatin]

Obviously Lomachicken don't want the fight, he know Walters gonna knocks him dafuq out...

[SUBZER0ED]

holy crap, they are broke

Are they really broke, or is it that they just don't want to waste money paying top dollar for virtual unknowns?

[Mitchell Kane]

so you consider pay-per-view a growing business model?

Will a TV network will pay as much money for a single fight as PPV can generate?

[al-Xander]

holy crap, they are broke

Everyone will go broke eventually, including Haymon's investors, which is down to the last 82M out of 521M, according a report.

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