Comments Thread For: Povetkin's Promoter: Top Euro Lab To Handle Tests in Wilder Bout

[Vinnykin]

Why are people so upset that Povetkin might be on peds? they do nothing for skill or your chin, they also can't make him grow 5 inches or give him longer arms. If Wilder's so good then he should use his natural size and ability and still win. I'd have Fury doing a Chisora on Povetkin even if he was juiced out his nut, total mismatch and shut-out for Fury

Peter Fury thinks Wilder should win, I responded I think Povetkin catches him early and he replied...

@Vinnykinny if he does then it's a poor showing for him as povetkin is half the size.

— peter fury. (@peterfury) 11 March 2016

[Redd Foxx]

Why are people so upset that Povetkin might be on peds? they do nothing for skill or your chin, they also can't make him grow 5 inches or give him longer arms. If Wilder's so good then he should use his natural size and ability and still win. I'd have Fury doing a Chisora on Povetkin even if he was juiced out his nut, total mismatch and shut-out for Fury

I'm hoping this is failed sarcasm....
PEDs certainly can make a difference in skill. They allow you to train harder and, if you're an undersized HW, retain a higher degree of muscle mass. Both things relate to your skill and chin. This idea that it shouldn't make any difference if Wilder is "so good" is wildly ignorant.

Regarding the article, this quote make me laugh, in the context that Russia was recently busted for government-required doping.

"There will be some pretty serious doping control."

lol, I'll bet!

[Vinnykin]

I'm hoping this is failed sarcasm....
PEDs certainly can make a difference in skill. They allow you to train harder and, if you're an undersized HW, retain a higher degree of muscle mass. Both things relate to your skill and chin. This idea that it shouldn't make any difference if Wilder is "so good" is wildly ignorant.

Regarding the article, this quote make me laugh, in the context that Russia was recently busted for government-required doping.

lol, I'll bet!

I see it as getting excuses in early. If Wilder can box he should easily jab Povetkins head off, while not getting caught with anything clean, by simply using his height, reach and movement. I don't agree PED's can give you skill in the ring, boxing IQ or ability to box to a gameplan under pressure. They can improve your chin, stamina etc yes, but Wilder should have the gameplan and easily control this fight using his natural assets (If he has the boxing skill, ring IQ and ability to box to a gameplan under pressure).

I'm serious when I say, he wouldn't hit Fury with anything significant and Fury would win every round while landing his jab consistently until Povetkin was out of there or quits on his stool....PEDs or no PED's

I wouldn't even be looking forward to that mismatch. I hope Wilder wins so I never have to watch Fury school Povetkin in a one-sided fight.

[Redd Foxx]

I don't agree PED's can give you skill in the ring...

PED's extend/bolster one's training. If you don't think a person gets their skills in training then I don't know what to tell you. Not to get personal but your whole post reeks of bias. I can only imagine what you might say if Ortiz was to face Fury w/o testing. I suppose if Fury is "so good" then his height and reach will spark out Ortiz even if Ortiz was to be on substances again. Right? I mean, we're just trying to be consistent here.

[Vinnykin]

PED's extend/bolster one's training. If you don't think a person gets their skills in training then I don't know what to tell you. Not to get personal but your whole post reeks of bias. I can only imagine what you might say if Ortiz was to face Fury w/o testing. I suppose if Fury is "so good" then his height and reach will spark out Ortiz even if Ortiz was to be on substances again. Right? I mean, we're just trying to be consistent here.

People develop all kinds of skills right through their career and in the gym. I don't think using peds will add much to Povetkins game at this stage after hundreds of fights and camps, not anything significant to compensate for the natural assets Wilder has any way. I think Wlad was juiced in his fight with Fury and it made no difference. Ortiz is still a 36 year old with a significant height and reach disadvantage, It wouldn't bother me in that one, nor Wilder. I'm confident either way.

Of course I would like if every athlete was clean but I certainly wouldn't be worried about Povetkin in a fight with Fury. It's just strange to me how many people are already looking for excuses instead of being totally confident in Wilder like I would with Fury? It's because they're worried Imo

[Redd Foxx]

People develop all kinds of skills right through their career and in the gym. I don't think using peds will add much to Povetkins game at this stage after hundreds of fights and camps, not anything significant to compensate for the natural assets Wilder has any way. I think Wlad was juiced in his fight with Fury and it made no difference. Ortiz is still a 36 year old with a significant height and reach disadvantage, It wouldn't bother me in that one, nor Wilder. I'm confident either way.

Of course I would like if every athlete was clean but I certainly wouldn't be worried about Povetkin in a fight with Fury. It's just strange to me how many people are already looking for excuses instead of being totally confident in Wilder like I would with Fury? It's because they're worried Imo

Nevermind. Between the "stereoids don't matter" and "it's just creating excuses" there is no having a reasonable conversation with you. Little tip; focus less of the drama and "excuses" and more on the science of the sport itself.

[Zaroku]

I'm hoping this is failed sarcasm....
PEDs certainly can make a difference in skill. They allow you to train harder and, if you're an undersized HW, retain a higher degree of muscle mass. Both things relate to your skill and chin. This idea that it shouldn't make any difference if Wilder is "so good" is wildly ignorant.

Regarding the article, this quote make me laugh, in the context that Russia was recently busted for government-required doping.

lol, I'll bet!

Some of what you wrote applies to PAC, Floyd, Marquez.. Etc

[Redd Foxx]

Some of what you wrote applies to PAC, Floyd, Marquez.. Etc

Ok.. If that's your take-away, I'm happy for you. However, the Russia parts don't apply. Pac and Marquez never failed, and Floyd only got caught w/ an IV. If it's just fueling your butthurt troll threads then I really can't help you there.

[Zaroku]

Ok.. If that's your take-away, I'm happy for you. However, the Russia parts don't apply. Pac and Marquez never failed, and Floyd only got caught w/ an IV. If it's just fueling your butthurt troll threads then I really can't help you there.

I am fine leaving the chess board as it is. Stop bringing up butts.. **** fixation??

Just kidding..

[Vinnykin]

Nevermind. Between the "stereoids don't matter" and "it's just creating excuses" there is no having a reasonable conversation with you. Little tip; focus less of the drama and "excuses" and more on the science of the sport itself.

I have an opinion that Povetkin, whether he is on every PED in the world or not, would not beat Fury. I would encourage him to stuff as much steroids in him as to give him the biggest chance he could get. IT WOULD NOT MATTER

The only point I was making is that a small guy like that should be easy work for a guy with a natural size and weight advantage, which is allowed in the HW division. I just read an article today that put forward the idea of having a super Heavyweight division- seeing how many boxers have a massive size advantage- and I agree, I'd have it at 230+ pounds. This is the era of the HW giants and they should make easy work of small HW's. It's like a WW going up against a MW with a 5 inch height and reach disadvantage. I'd bet on the bigger man even if I KNEW the other was using PED's, especially if I knew the bigger man could dominate smaller fighters with their boxing skills! aka boxing to a gameplan, controlling distance, working behind a jab, inside defence, you know that science thing you speak of? I hope it's the sweet science you speak of...The thing that PED's can't teach you lol