Bernstein says "only one that can touch Floyd is Crawford"

[aldo5408]

Nacho didn't say Crawford beats Floyd. He said hes the only one that make it interesting and it's true

[PivotandRoll]

I think Floyd is more skilled. He has more dimensions to his game. He can fight on the inside, is better at adapting, and has a better jab.

I think 130 Floyd would have a good chance at stopping Marquez.

Marquez has better combos, Is literally way better inside.. Marquez uppercuts are way better than Floyd right uppercut to the body which is his primary weapon inside. I feel like you haven't watch early Marquez. Even if you watch their fight , Floyd completely outspeeds Marquez but never once does he stand in front of him and outbox him. When Floyd dropped him and tried to go after Marquez he found out fast how bad of an idea that was.

[PivotandRoll]

Im surprised you see such a skill gap between the two.

How do you break it down?

I think Marquez is the ultimate hustler...If you don't have a speed advantage you are pretty much ****ed..I've scored all his fights fairly with a calm head and only ever scored Floyd and Bradley against him(won't begrudge people thinking Manny took fight 1 by a point or two but I do disagree). He has an uncanny ability to adapt to an opponents offense and landing some of the most beautiful counter punches you will ever see.

He is a master of misdirection, distance and timing. he's knows every punch in the book and has the technique to hurt men twice his size. And I don't think many have match his ability to feint someone into position. Marquez is ahead of Floyd for me P4P all time.... not all time achievement...But P4P head to head...Marquez got this or pulls a Floyd out we've never had the joy to see.

[Razcal26]

Floyd will never fight someone with much longer reach and height than him,

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[Doctor_Tenma]

Marquez has better combos, Is literally way better inside.. Marquez uppercuts are way better than Floyd right uppercut to the body which is his primary weapon inside. I feel like you haven't watch early Marquez. Even if you watch their fight , Floyd completely outspeeds Marquez but never once does he stand in front of him and outbox him. When Floyd dropped him and tried to go after Marquez he found out fast how bad of an idea that was.

Marquez is the better combination puncher entirely and he does throw the better uppercuts (I think he's the greatest uppercut artist I've ever seen personally) but that in no way makes him a better inside fighter. Mayweather understands the angles up close better, he knows how to position himself and he'll usually get right under his opponent sticking his left shoulder on to their face to limit their offense, you honestly think Juan Diaz or Katsidis would have touched Mayweather in the manner that they touched Marquez? No way.

Marquez is a mid range counter puncher who isn't reluctant to throw on the inside which is a testament to how ballsy he is but defensively he's usually getting tagged as he looks to get into range.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I think Marquez is the ultimate hustler...If you don't have a speed advantage you are pretty much ****ed..I've scored all his fights fairly with a calm head and only ever scored Floyd and Bradley against him(won't begrudge people thinking Manny took fight 1 by a point or two but I do disagree). He has an uncanny ability to adapt to an opponents offense and landing some of the most beautiful counter punches you will ever see.

He is a master of misdirection, distance and timing. he's knows every punch in the book and has the technique to hurt men twice his size. And I don't think many have match his ability to feint someone into position. Marquez is ahead of Floyd for me P4P all time.... not all time achievement...But P4P head to head...Marquez got this or pulls a Floyd out we've never had the joy to see.

At the lower weight classes Mayweather's left hook was arguably better than his right hand, take a second to actually think about that. He was certainly a better combination puncher than what we saw at '47. Just can't see it.

[PivotandRoll]

Marquez is the better combination puncher entirely and he does throw the better uppercuts (I think he's the greatest uppercut artist I've ever seen personally) but that in no way makes him a better inside fighter. Mayweather understands the angles up close better, he knows how to position himself and he'll usually get right under his opponent sticking his left shoulder on to their face to limit their offense, you honestly think Juan Diaz or Katsidis would have touched Mayweather in the manner that they touched Marquez? No way.

Marquez is a mid range counter puncher who isn't reluctant to throw on the inside which is a testament to how ballsy he is but defensively he's usually getting tagged as he looks to get into range.

Yes I do, Floyd'd hardest fights are those he chose to fight in the pocket...Chavez, Augustus, Castillo and Cotto all guys that got inside and gave Floyd problems... Marquez would have trounced that version of Castillo and the Corrales he went to war with on the same night. And you are over estimating Floyd's left hook,it was amazing against Corrales. Other than the best hooks he's probably landed are at 147, the Check hook that got Hatton and the one that Dropped Marquez(although the two piece Floyd hits Marquez with in round 6 may be the nicest combination ever). Go ask Philip N'dou and the 3 straight right hands in a row he ate on the way down. I've seen every Floyd can pull punches from memory. Like for instance the best uppercut he ever landed was a lightening quick cheeky one against the severely overmatched Jerry Cooper. P4P Marquez > Floyd IMO and tbh I prefer Floyd and was rooting for him when they fought

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yes I do, Floyd'd hardest fights are those he chose to fight in the pocket...Chavez, Augustus, Castillo and Cotto all guys that got inside and gave Floyd problems... Marquez would have trounced that version of Castillo and the Corrales he went to war with on the same night. And you are over estimating Floyd's left hook,it was amazing against Corrales. Other than the best hooks he's probably landed are at 147, the Check hook that got Hatton and the one that Dropped Marquez(although the two piece Floyd hits Marquez with in round 6 may be the nicest combination ever). Go ask Philip N'dou and the 3 straight right hands in a row he ate on the way down. I've seen every Floyd can pull punches from memory. Like for instance the best uppercut he ever landed was a lightening quick cheeky one against the severely overmatched Jerry Cooper. P4P Marquez > Floyd IMO and tbh I prefer Floyd and was rooting for him when they fought

We can only agree to disagree then, as for his left hook it was a much better punch in the lower weight classes and it pales in comparison to what it became as he doesn't use it with nowhere near the same consistency, nor does he go to the body with it like he once did. His most memorable may be at the higher weights but he was a much better left hook artist at the lower weights.

Best uppercut he landed, thought about it for a good min and I'd say it was against Gerena.

[RisAri0]

if Crawford were to beat Manny, Bradley and JMM then I'd give him a shot to beat Floyd. Other than that he gets taken to school.

[VG_Addict]

I think Marquez is the ultimate hustler...If you don't have a speed advantage you are pretty much ****ed..I've scored all his fights fairly with a calm head and only ever scored Floyd and Bradley against him(won't begrudge people thinking Manny took fight 1 by a point or two but I do disagree). He has an uncanny ability to adapt to an opponents offense and landing some of the most beautiful counter punches you will ever see.

He is a master of misdirection, distance and timing. he's knows every punch in the book and has the technique to hurt men twice his size. And I don't think many have match his ability to feint someone into position. Marquez is ahead of Floyd for me P4P all time.... not all time achievement...But P4P head to head...Marquez got this or pulls a Floyd out we've never had the joy to see.

You don't honestly think 130 Marquez would have had a chance against 130 Floyd, do you?

No version of Marquez wins any rounds against any version of Floyd.