UFC>>>boxing

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Wouldn't it be more interesting if you explained why it takes skill? In most cases I see that being applied to an exhausted opponent who is ready to submit. I'm curious to see what you have to say.

True that happens sometimes, just like in boxing when one guy gasses and gets stopped..

But the real skill is when you can put on a choke when your getting beat or in a rough fight,, silva popping that triangle on sonnen, or when big nog was getting beat by Sylvia and he caught him in a choke... Jon jones choking out machida..
Werdum catching fedor in a triangle..

Watch the old school Nick diaz vs takanori Gomi fight from 2006ish in pride,, incredible fight and incredible choke to end..

Shinya aoki has out of this world chokes..

Royce Gracie vs Dan Severn way back in the day, another good example

[Eff Pandas]

My point is boxers have a level of control over their careers UFC fighters could only dream of. Boxing would look like UFC with one org and a king like White

I dream of the day someone with some money gets a clue in boxing & makes a NFL of boxing. Can you imagine how f#cking dumb the NFL, the MLB or the NBA would look like if teams could pick their own schedule each year? Have the Patriots trying to play Junior College & High School teams lol.

Boxers, random promoters & random managers need less control. Thats just the reality. And the sport will be better for the top boxers legacy, better for the fans & a more competitive sport that will garner a whole new generation of fans when this happens. And sure the 2 or 3 tip top guys might only get $10M-$15M+ instead of $30M-$100M+, but the overall upside for the sport of boxing would be huge/

[A-Wolf]

1. ****** comparison. That's like saying, "NFL >>> Basketball."

2. Diaz is NOT a top 5 Welterweight. Top 10 at Lightweight, sure. But he's not top 5 at 155lb.

3. The notion that grappling isn't "fighting like a man" is ****ing ******ed. It's a different type of fighting and, like Boxing, is definitely IS an art and a skill.

What's ****** is MMA fans coming onto a boxing forum and trying to kick knowledge and start **** with boxing fans. What's ****** is Ronda Rousey, Dana White and the rest of the MMA instigators constantly trying to demean and belittle boxing and boxing's elite fighters.

Yes, they are different sports. Let's think about that for awhile. Any boxing fan who goes on an MMA forum and tries to stir up conflict is just as much a ****ing moron as any of the morons here on Boxingscene doing the same thing. There's a DIVISION here and it's been caused overwhelmingly by loudmouth MMA fans. Period.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

What's ****** is MMA fans coming onto a boxing forum and trying to kick knowledge and start **** with boxing fans. What's ****** is Ronda Rousey, Dana White and the rest of the MMA instigators constantly trying to demean and belittle boxing and boxing's elite fighters.

Yes, they are different sports. Let's think about that for awhile. Any boxing fan who goes on an MMA forum and tries to stir up conflict is just as much a ****ing moron as any the morons here on Boxingscene doing the same thing.

There's a DIVISION here and it's been caused overwhelmingly by loudmouth MMA fans. Period.

I don't think anyone is stirring up anything... The thread is a ufc or boxing thread... It's not like mma is being talked about in every thread.. It's an open discussion

[Left2theliver]

What's ****** is MMA fans coming onto a boxing forum and trying to kick knowledge and start **** with boxing fans. What's ****** is Ronda Rousey, Dana White and the rest of the MMA instigators constantly trying to demean and belittle boxing and boxing's elite fighters.

Yes, they are different sports. Let's think about that for awhile. Any boxing fan who goes on an MMA forum and tries to stir up conflict is just as much a ****ing moron as any the morons here on Boxingscene doing the same thing.

There's a DIVISION here and it's been caused overwhelmingly by loudmouth MMA fans. Period.

I can't disagree with that. As an MMA fan, I often find myself rolling my eyes whenever people like Dana White try to belittle boxing, that also goes for people who run around NSB with threads like this. That being said, it's not uncommon to see the opposite happen. I've seen a lot of people randomly start crap at Sherdog and some of the other big MMA forums, which, as you said, is just as ******.

[A-Wolf]

True that happens sometimes, just like in boxing when one guy gasses and gets stopped..

But the real skill is when you can put on a choke when your getting beat or in a rough fight,, silva popping that triangle on sonnen, or when big nog was getting beat by Sylvia and he caught him in a choke... Jon jones choking out machida..
Werdum catching fedor in a triangle..

Watch the old school Nick diaz vs takanori Gomi fight from 2006ish in pride,, incredible fight and incredible choke to end..

Shinya aoki has out of this world chokes..

Royce Gracie vs Dan Severn way back in the day, another good example

Ok, but are you capable of explaining in forensic/scientific terms the skill involved? You're giving me examples. Not better helping me understand the technical brilliance of wrapping your arm under somebodies chin and squeezing really hard.

[A-Wolf]

I don't think anyone is stirring up anything... The thread is a ufc or boxing thread... It's not like mma is being talked about in every thread.. It's an open discussion

It goes without saying that the boxing fans on a boxing forum or the MMA fans on an MMA forum are going to be less thoughtful about their arguments. We all know this. Anybody trying to stir up any amount of debate from the other side is trying to pick a fight. This has been going on for years and the majority of disrespect has come from the MMA side. We know this as well.

I can't disagree with that. As an MMA fan, I often find myself rolling my eyes whenever people like Dana White try to belittle boxing, that also goes for people who run around NSB with threads like this. That being said, it's not uncommon to see the opposite happen. I've seen a lot of people randomly start crap at Sherdog and some of the other big MMA forums, which, as you said, is just as ******.

Fair play to you, sir.

[Left2theliver]

True that happens sometimes, just like in boxing when one guy gasses and gets stopped..

But the real skill is when you can put on a choke when your getting beat or in a rough fight,, silva popping that triangle on sonnen, or when big nog was getting beat by Sylvia and he caught him in a choke... Jon jones choking out machida..
Werdum catching fedor in a triangle..

Watch the old school Nick diaz vs takanori Gomi fight from 2006ish in pride,, incredible fight and incredible choke to end..

Shinya aoki has out of this world chokes..

Royce Gracie vs Dan Severn way back in the day, another good example

Not only that but, like boxing, things like movement, positioning, and technique are things that have to be learned over a long and consistent period of time spent training. You can teach anyone to throw a left hook, a right straight, or an armbar, but without the ability to move into position, set up the attack, and understand when and where it can be properly applied, it's useless. I mean, there's always the chance of just jumping into it and landing it, but to efficiently apply those techniques, I think everything else has to be learned to supplement it. I always compare grappling to boxing, in the sense that the average joe can understand a KO punch or a chokehold, but when things get technical and slower (Jake Shields, GSP, Mayweather, Rigondeaux) those same people start *****ing and moaning about how "boring" it is. And they're not always wrong because that **** can definitely get real boring, but I think it takes a certain amount of education to better appreciate the minor details.

[Jloro]

Stop saying you like mma more than boxing on a boxing forum. Just leave

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok, but are you capable of explaining in forensic/scientific terms the skill involved? You're giving me examples. Not better helping me understand the technical brilliance of wrapping your arm under somebodies chin and squeezing really hard.

Rear naked is very simplistic,mand probably the easiest to do, but try doing that to a guy that knows how to defend...

It's superhard to choke a guy that is also well trained and can knows how to defend.. I train in bjj but am no expert, and it's amazing what black belt level guys can do..
Example of what skills there are- it's mostly about positions of arms, leverage, especially for things like arm triangle, or triangle, anaconda. If you have a guy in a triangle but don't have it properly sunk in, or don't have his arm across, your not going to get the choke.. I'm probably not explaining it to well, but trust me, if it was so easy to land these chokes, everyone would be doing them. There is a lot of skill n technique to land them, especially guys trained to defend them.

Saying there is no skills in chokes, is like someone saying there is no skills in the jab, anyone can do it.. What's so hard about snap a punch out real quick.. No skill... We both know that's not the case with the jab