To the people who run boxing - PLEASE GET YOUR **** TOGETHER.

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  • -DSG-
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    #11
    Originally posted by -PBP-
    Peaks and valleys. Canelo/GGG is basically a matter of time at this stage.

    Be careful not to sacrifice quality for excitement. Mayweather/Pacquiao was between the 2 best boxers of this Era and when you have great technicians fighting, they are skilled in defending themselves and setting traps so it becomes more difficult to create those openings while being aware that your opponent is looking to counter you.

    Would you rather have Mayweather vs Bundrage on short notice with Bundrage landing a haymaker and shocking the world? That's basically what happened last night. Excitement but lacking quality.

    In boxing we got the heavyweights, Ward/Kovalev, GGG/Canelo, Thurman/Porter, etc. in the works. Just stay patient.

    Last night we had Douglas/Khurtsidze in an early FOY candidate and Vargas/Ali. The fights are there.
    Comparing Diaz to Bundrage is an insult to Diaz he's been around a long time and beaten a lot of good fighters. Bundrage is a journeyman Diaz is a legit contender and fought for the championship a few years back.

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      #12
      Originally posted by -DSG-
      Comparing Diaz to Bundrage is an insult to Diaz he's been around a long time and beaten a lot of good fighters. Bundrage is a journeyman Diaz is a legit contender and fought for the championship a few years back.
      Also McGregor is no Mayweather either that's an insult to Mayweather.

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      • -PBP-
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        #13
        Originally posted by -DSG-
        Comparing Diaz to Bundrage is an insult to Diaz he's been around a long time and beaten a lot of good fighters. Bundrage is a journeyman Diaz is a legit contender and fought for the championship a few years back.
        Yeah. But he was IBF champion and beat Molina who was top 5 in the division. Molina arguably beat Lara who is top dog right now.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Guerrero's Dad
          I know what you're saying. If I ever bring myself to watch that fight again, and purely from a technical perspective, I know there are interesting things going on that the casual eye can't pick up.

          But honestly.....the legacy of that fight is a disaster. It cannot be redeemed. Any boxing blog on, say, The Guardian has about 40% of comments b*tching about that fight. It will forever be used as a stick to beat us up with.

          By that point, Mayweather was about the "0" and nothing else, so had no commitment to delivering a great product. Then Pac is complaining about his shoulder. It probably would have been better if that fight wasn't made.

          Yeah but say it was Hagler/Hearns. You would be gaining new fans that expect that night in and night out. They would eventually leave anyway when they find out that boxing at the elite level is high speed chess and KOs are a rarity. It would hold the sport to an unrealistic standard. Canelo/Cotto was a phenomenal fight and that even got subpar reviews.

          If casuals want blood they can find blood. HBO has millions upon millions of subscribers but I didn't see sensational ratings for Matthysse/Provodnikov. It's because they want celebrities and personalities. Not necessarily skill.

          That's why I wouldn't look too much into casual acceptance. Maybe if Danny Garcia dated a Kardashian sister he would do 1 millio n ppvs.

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          • Eff Pandas
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            #15
            There is no incentive for a every man for themselves business to join hands & start singing we are the world.

            Boxing won't start being the sport it could be until their is some centralized power structure, like virtually every other sport has, who's day to day goal is to make things better for boxing, today & long term. How you go about creating this is up for argument. I'd suggest we need some more altrustic type boxing people who can see a greater good for boxing then the good that just enhances their bank account or we need someone to aggressively "take over" boxing ala the alleged attempt PBC is in the middle of now or the potential one people feel like that AIBA guy will attempt at some point.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Guerrero's Dad
              I do still believe that the market is gonna open up once they realise the current model isn't sustainable. Hopefully Haymon fighters on HBO is a portent of things to come.
              The previous model is the one that got boxing where its at is the thing. Boxing has changed its model numerous times, it'll need to change it again. Problem is its gone smaller & more niche each time & now we are here where few watch the sport outside of one or two fights a year. Its time for boxing to be on regular TV again to build up the next eras fighters. You aren't gonna build the next Manny or Floyd with HBO's current budget or seeming falling interest in boxing.

              I've been saying for a few years that I feel like HBO will close up shop on boxing within the next decade or so cuz the boxing audience isn't bringing in new fans & the current fans are getting older & the younger combat sports fans are mostly going into MMA. Thus I suspect HBO will be showing the UFC at some point. HBO has been in talks with MMA groups in the past (the UFC & ODLH's MMA outfit that never got off the ground) & I suspect eventually they'll get a deal done.

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              • -DSG-
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                #17
                Originally posted by -PBP-
                Yeah. But he was IBF champion and beat Molina who was top 5 in the division. Molina arguably beat Lara who is top dog right now.
                I think the better comparison is Broner-Maidana. A trash talking flashy fighter who was beating on smaller opponents who thought he was better than he was went up in weight and fought someone bigger. Diaz like maidana was a warrior but has fallen short in some of his big fights but put it together for one night and brought the smaller man back to reality.

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                • SplitSecond
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                  #18
                  Pacquiao - Mayweather is what happens when you put together two old men instead of in their primes. We lost our Leonard-Duran, Hagler-Hearns, Ali-Frazier etc etc, the superfight was long gone before these two met up, all that was left was the hype.

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                    #19
                    No one runs boxing, that's the problem.

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                    • MrRolltide91
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by -DSG-
                      I think the better comparison is Broner-Maidana. A trash talking flashy fighter who was beating on smaller opponents who thought he was better than he was went up in weight and fought someone bigger. Diaz like maidana was a warrior but has fallen short in some of his big fights but put it together for one night and brought the smaller man back to reality.

                      Good comparison

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