Timing Beats speed it's a myth isn't it ?

[LoadedWraps]

This seems to be the most pulled out line on nsb especially when it comes to Amir khan bit is it true ?

Sure it happens, Garcia v Khan for example but we've also seen guys parachute into the arena and gusu jump through the ropes out of the ring.

With hundreds of fights every year to are going to a bit of everything but this idea that a slow guy can regularly bet a much faster fighter with similar reach is simple not true.

Where are the examples ?

9 times out of ten the faster guy wins.

Seriously? Do you even box? It's very true, but it isn't an absolute statement, speed wins if you can't counter effectively. An example of a fighter beating a faster fighter with timing? JMM vs Pac-Man is the most notable in recent years, in each of their fights JMM was countering the heck out of Pac and making fantastic combinations from landed setup punches. Another example is Morales vs Pac. Maidana vs Floyd I.

And like someone said already, why don't you provide evidence that it's a myth? The burden of proof is on you.

As a matter of fact, eff it, you're getting red K'd.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Every fight, floyd,pac, roy jones, mosley, dhl etc etc ever won.

Fast guys win way more fights than slow guys.

Those boxers have timing + speed.

Here's the forumala:

Timing vs Speed = Timing wins

Timing + Speed vs Timing = Timing + Speed wins

Timing + Speed vs Speed = Timing + Speed wins.


A boxer with timing alone beats a boxer with speed alone (Juan Manuel Marquez beating Manny Pacquaio)

A boxer with timing and speed combined beats a boxer with speed alone or timing alone (Floyd Mayweather Jr beating Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez).

[SN!PER]

Floyd was fast, but I would say it was more his mental speed than his physical speed that won him the fights. Manny was physically faster than both Floyd and JMM, but he was predictable in a lot of ways too.

[Citizen Koba]

Depends on your definition of speed. I think you are all getting confused with the volume of punches.

The speed a fighter throws a punch is directly proportional to the power.

Impact energy = half mass times speed squared.

It's not that simple. And there's also the impact force to take into consideration which is dependent upon the time it takes for the impact to happen (in short how quickly the fist decelerates dependent - partly say on whether a fighter is rolling or moving with the punch) - which is impact force rather than impact energy - but that isn't the main problem here. The main issue is what is m - the mass you apply to the equation mv^2/2? Is it the mass of the fist? The mass of the arm? The mass of the whole body? This is why punches differ and why it's very possible to accelerate the fist quickly for rapid arm punches or 'slaps' whereas putting the whole weight of the body from the extension of the feet and legs through the torso and applying the force through the extended arm can produce more impact power while the fist itself has a lower velocity.

I remember having a long and amusingly involved conversation when I first started posting here about whether bigger fists meant harder punches, but that only works if you treat the fist as a seperate ballistic object, acted on, but effectively independent of the rest of the body like a wrecking ball (for a swing) or a cannonball, which is clearly absurd. We also got into how the greater impact area of larger fist would spread the impact and stuff - all a bit of silly fun really.

[hugh grant]

I'm sure timing can overcome sopeed. I'm sure there are ways to overcome people with better timing

[Zaroku]

It is a myth. Timing really matters. It can level the playing field.

[daggum]

punches beat amir khan. that is his only weakness

[PRINCEKOOL]

Chavez Senior vs Meldrick Taylor....

Speed is potent, but you have to know how to use it!

Timing does not always beat speed, but every fighter can be timed! there is a pattern to every single attack, and a good fighter will pick up on these patterns and devise an attack or? reaction of their own to negate the offensive attack!

Bernard Hopkin's was a master at doing this!