Emphasis and Glorification of a knockout loss has stopped fighters from engaging!

[Boxtime]

Fighters are scared to get knocked out. They would rather dance around for 12 rounds, and hope to survive the fight, with winning a secondary motive.

Losing by knockout and giving your all ala Hatton v Mayweather, should be given more respect then losing to a fighter by a wide UD like Alexander v Khan.

Getting knocked out is part of the sport, just another method of losing.

[E-Thug]

Whatever excuse you want to make to justify your boyfriend getting chin checked by Prescott and García, go ahead mate

[NUCLEAR]

Its the new mentality with the young cubs today. that if you lose you are no longer relevant you get knocked and you are vindicated.

That is why old school fighters ****s on new fighters mentally winning and losing and getting ktfo is part of the game but that doesn't mean you dont have to try to prevent it.

[Luilun]

Fighters are scared to get knocked out. They would rather dance around for 12 rounds, and hope to survive the fight, with winning a secondary motive.

Losing by knockout and giving your all ala Hatton v Mayweather, should be given more respect then losing to a fighter by a wide UD like Alexander v Khan.

Getting knocked out is part of the sport, just another method of losing.

Are you talking about Mayweaher running around and holding for 12 rounds or did you forget to mention it

[sunny31]

I think this is a good subject but I would say its more about losing in general. A loss has too much of a detrimental effect on a fighters career and their ability to sell and make money. There is too much emphasis put on keeping that 0 or keeping losses to a minimum. The shame about that is, back in the day I can think of many fighters who picked up losses but those experiences made that said fighter better and eventually they improved, gained career momentum, became champion and formidable fighters, you rarely see that anymore. Nowadays a loss automatically makes a fighter a bum, and its like the end of the world, I blame fans for this attitude as well.

fighters are groomed much more now, but here is the question I have. Does that careful matchmaking stop them from reaching their full potential as fighters? If you are managing a talent it is a very thin line between that and pushing a fighter too fast. Freddie Pendleton and Emmanuel Augustus (Burton) are two examples of fighters who were thrown to the wolves and could've been managed better and would have had much more success if they had, I honestly think there are fighters in the HOF that were lesser fighters than those two.

Now more to that point of the thread, yes I think fighters are too scared to take risks in the ring and engage in certain situations. They are desperate to not make a mistake and get caught. This weekend's fight between Quigg and Frampton was a perfect and timely example. But I don't blame either fighter, the stakes are just too high for these guys to take a KO loss at this stage and that made them both freeze. It just seems to be the nature of the sport now. Having won the fight Frampton will move on to guaranteed 7 figure pay days, Quigg may never get another 7 figure pay day again, and it will take him a while to get back their even if he does get back to that point.

[Redd Foxx]

Don't blame the fighters. They're just trying to make a living. Blame the fickle fans who put tremendous emphasis on undefeated records, deeming a guy to be trash is he has a couple of losses, encouraging their fave fighter to fight cans, etc. Imagine if the fab 4 were at it now. A guy like Hearns (who would dominate several weight classes today) would be ridiculed in all sorts of ways because he didn't run or clinch and paid the price for it against Leonard and Haggler.

[Furn]

I think The scoring system needs to be looked at.

You shouldn't get the same points for edging a boring round where hardly any punches are thrown as you do for clearly winning an action packed round.

Just encourages bring fights like frampton v quigg

[lopetego]

I blame Mayweather for this crap

he's shown all the young cubs that you can become the sport's biggest star and PPV king as long as you have that fancy ¨zero¨ attached to your record

It doesn't matter if the vast majority of your fights are boring snoozefests, it doesn't matter if you fight nothing but tailor made no hopers in garbage, non competitive fights. Just stick to that ¨0¨, run your mouth, get good publicity, and you'll become millionaire

This is what fighters are trying to do as soon as their names become well known. They try to minimize the risk as much as possible, they dont give a **** about greatness

Fighters nowadays only look for real opponents and give their all as long as they're still unknown nobodies. as soon as they reach stardom, they turn into coward *******

and it's Mayweather's fault, cant believe how much this ***** has damaged the sport. maybe beyond repair. let's hope he never comes back

[Dr Rumack]

Don't blame the fighters. They're just trying to make a living. Blame the fickle fans who put tremendous emphasis on undefeated records, deeming a guy to be trash is he has a couple of losses, encouraging their fave fighter to fight cans, etc. Imagine if the fab 4 were at it now. A guy like Hearns (who would dominate several weight classes today) would be ridiculed in all sorts of ways because he didn't run or clinch and paid the price for it against Leonard and Haggler.

The main reason being undefeated matters is because of how heavily promoters have used it as a marketing tool. Mayweather deserves particular criticism on this front.

You're out of your mind if you think a guy like Hearns wouldn't be hugely popular these days.

[Dr Rumack]

Casual fans know sweet fuck all about fighters' records and history. If promoters didn't plaster 'Undefeated' all over their posters and tv promos the casual fans wouldn't even think about it. Nobody watching the UFC gives a flying fuck about Conor McGregor's defeats. Putting this on the fans is nonsense. The business did this to itself.