Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I Would've Beat Golovkin, They Would Still Complain

[aboutfkntime]

You do realize what you are criticizing GGG for is what you are defending Floyd for, right?

Floyd (GGG) said he would beat GGG (anyone from 154-168) but chose not to go through with it, fighting someone like Berto (Monroe) instead.

I've been on record saying that I've been disappointed with some (not all) of GGG's opposition because of his statement (I would like him to fight Lara/ Ward, etc). For some reason, you are willing to defend Floyd for making a very similar statement (that he would beat GGG but not go through with it)

It was a retirement fight ffs.

It was a retirement fight after Mayweather fought and beat the last guy you said could defeat him LMAO

And..... what about the 25-odd champions he beat before that ?

Let's not compare resume's between Golovkin and Floyd.

All I am saying is, Golovkin could at least be willing to negotiate in order to land his first meaningful fight..... like Mayweather did, like Pacquiao did, like Cotto did, like Canelo did..... and like pretty much every other great fighter did.

[aboutfkntime]

Any Mayweather thread quickly flushes out the undercover pacstains huh ?

[Raonic]

It was a retirement fight ffs.

It was a retirement fight after Mayweather fought and beat the last guy you said could defeat him LMAO

And..... what about the 25-odd champions he beat before that ?

Let's not compare resume's between Golovkin and Floyd.

All I am saying is, Golovkin could at least be willing to negotiate in order to land his first meaningful fight..... like Mayweather did, like Pacquiao did, like Cotto did, like Canelo did..... and like pretty much every other great fighter did.

Good thing I never actually said Manny would win and in fact, I've said Floyd would beat him since it was fight mentioned in 2008 (And it hasn't changed over the years).

And I applaud Floyd for fighting all those champs and beating them. Doesn't mean I can't criticize him for his career decisions, and whether it was a retirement fight or not, Berto was a bad decision.

And that's what he's done. Canelo claimed a non-negotiable 155 stance, so GGG replied and made a 160 stance. I think the fight happens at 158 CW or so early next year. Negotiating doesn't mean that he has to go accept the fight on their terms.

[aboutfkntime]

Good thing I never actually said Manny would win and in fact, I've said Floyd would beat him since it was fight mentioned in 2008 (And it hasn't changed over the years).

And I applaud Floyd for fighting all those champs and beating them. Doesn't mean I can't criticize him for his career decisions, and whether it was a retirement fight or not, Berto was a bad decision.

And that's what he's done. Canelo claimed a non-negotiable 155 stance, so GGG replied and made a 160 stance. I think the fight happens at 158 CW or so early next year. Negotiating doesn't mean that he has to go accept the fight on their terms.

So was spending 3 years telling the world that you can beat anyone from 154-168, and then ducking Andre Ward.

So was selecting Monroe over Lara, and stating it was because Monroe was a bigger draw.

So was spending 3 years telling the world that you can beat anyone from 154-168, and then completely refusing to negotiate with Canelo.

We can all pick holes in a fighters resume'....... but it is not smart to bash Mayweather's resume, and then attempt to defend Golovkin's.

Negotiating doesn't mean that he has to go accept the fight on their terms.

What are you talking about, Golovkin completely refused to negotiate with Canelo.

[Raonic]

So was spending 3 years telling the world that you can beat anyone from 154-168, and then ducking Andre Ward.

So was selecting Monroe over Lara, and stating it was because Monroe was a bigger draw.

So was spending 3 years telling the world that you can beat anyone from 154-168, and then completely refusing to negotiate with Canelo.

We can all pick holes in a fighters resume'....... but it is not smart to bash Mayweather's resume, and then attempt to defend Golovkin's.

And I've criticized GGG for his part in the Ward fight (though Ward has blame as well).

Monroe was a stay busy fight so I'm fine with that but I've been disappointed he hasn't fought Lara (though there's more to it with HBO/Haymon).

I've criticized his promoter and trainer for being so vocal for no real reason.

And the Canelo fight will probably get done. In fact, they negotiated and agreed to optional fights before getting back together afterwards for a Sept 2016 fight (meaning they probably aren't too serious when it comes to getting the fight done at this point since they still have their optionals to go t
through). Point is, I've criticized GGG, many times, including the past few pages.

A big problem here is you like to make assumptions. Everything with you can easily be chalked up to thinking whoever defends GGG is a fanboy and is wrong, even though I've said I make my opinions/stances based on the situation.

Another problem is that you're too concerned about what GGG is doing as opposed to sticking to your stances. The past few pages, you've actually criticizing GGG for asking for a CW at 164 but then criticizing him as well about the Canelo fight, where he's refused the 155 CW (or any CW with Canelo). I get that you think he's a hypocrite but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite, even if some of what he's done aligns with what your stances are.

What are you talking about, Golovkin completely refused to negotiate with Canelo.

It's called taking a stance. GGG saying it must be at 160 is no different than Canelo saying it's 155 or no fight. When it comes down to it, they'll probably agree to the terms and weight, somewhere in the middle.

[littlemac]

Very true. The people that were calling Floyd a coward for not fighting Pac, are the same people calling Floyd a coward for schooling Pac. Floyd used a great saying "Damn if I do damn if I don't".

[aboutfkntime]

And I've criticized GGG for his part in the Ward fight (though Ward has blame as well).

Monroe was a stay busy fight so I'm fine with that but I've been disappointed he hasn't fought Lara (though there's more to it with HBO/Haymon).

I've criticized his promoter and trainer for being so vocal for no real reason.

And the Canelo fight will probably get done. In fact, they negotiated and agreed to optional fights before getting back together afterwards for a Sept 2016 fight (meaning they probably aren't too serious when it comes to getting the fight done at this point since they still have their optionals to go t
through). Point is, I've criticized GGG, many times, including the past few pages.

A big problem here is you like to make assumptions. Everything with you can easily be chalked up to thinking whoever defends GGG is a fanboy and is wrong, even though I've said I make my opinions/stances based on the situation.

Another problem is that you're too concerned about what GGG is doing as opposed to sticking to your stances. The past few pages, you've actually criticizing GGG for asking for a CW at 164 but then criticizing him as well about the Canelo fight, where he's refused the 155 CW (or any CW with Canelo). I get that you think he's a hypocrite but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite, even if some of what he's done aligns with what your stances are.



It's called taking a stance. GGG saying it must be at 160 is no different than Canelo saying it's 155 or no fight. When it comes down to it, they'll probably agree to the terms and weight, somewhere in the middle.

Nope.

The reason is....

1) you defend everything that Golovkin does, with no exception

2) your " defence " is comprised of nothing but weak excuses.

That's why.

Let me give you an example.....

GGG saying it must be at 160 is no different than Canelo saying it's 155 or no fight.

BULL**** !!

1) Canelo is the a-side

2) Golovkin spent THREE FKN YEARS telling us that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... and I know EXACTLY why you choose to ignore that Mr "I'm not a fanboy, honest".

Let me give you another example.

You are attempting to insinuate that I have double-standards..... you said that I defended Canelo's catchweight, and then bashed Golovkin's..... and yet that is utter bull****.....

IT happened the OPPOSITE way around.

..... I bashed Golovkin for demanding a catchweight from Ward after stating for THREE FKN YEARS that he can beat anyone from 154-168..... AND THEN, I laughed at Golovkin when Canelo pulled those EXACT SAME chicken-**** tactics on him.

And if you truly were an unbiased fan, that would be really obvious to you.

You are the OFFICIAL Golovkin Defense Force..... you are currently defending him on 3 different threads.

[Raonic]

Nope.

The reason is....

1) you defend everything that Golovkin does, with no exception

2) your " defence " is comprised of nothing but weak excuses.

That's why.

Let me give you an example.....

So I guess you missed it when I criticized his resume and criticized him regarding CWs in the 2 other threads we are talking on?

BULL**** !!

1) Canelo is the a-side

2) Golovkin spent THREE FKN YEARS telling us that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... and I know EXACTLY why you choose to ignore that Mr "I'm not a fanboy, honest".

Let me give you another example.

You are attempting to insinuate that I have double-standards..... you said that I defended Canelo's catchweight, and then bashed Golovkin's..... and yet that is utter bull****.....

IT happened the OPPOSITE way around.

..... I bashed Golovkin for demanding a catchweight from Ward after stating for THREE FKN YEARS that he can beat anyone from 154-168..... AND THEN, I laughed at Golovkin when Canelo pulled those EXACT SAME chicken-**** tactics on him.

And if you truly were an unbiased fan, that would be really obvious to you.

You are the OFFICIAL Golovkin Defense Force..... you are currently defending him on 3 different threads.

That's my point. It's about GGG with you, not the situation. In a Ward 164 thread, you berate him for how he is asking for a CW. But in a Canelo 155 thread, instead of berating Canelo for asking a 155 CW, you make the discussion into GGG being a hypocrite.

[Combat Talk Radio]

When Cotto called floyd out back then, what was Floyd's excuse?

A bigger payday against a bigger name in Oscar De La Hoya.

I don't want to hear BS from you. If you were in that position and you had a chance to make a career high payday facing and beating a future Hall of Famer that people don't think you can beat, with the odds stacked against you,

vs facing a guy who just happpens to be a strong puncher but not a huge PPV draw,

you would do the same thing. You would go for the money. That's what he did. He made the right call. He became a PPV draw. That fight made him. Had he not taken it at that time, he wouldn't be "Money".

Afterwards, Floyd circled back and took care of Cotto while Cotto was still prime but at this point it was a bigger money fight for both.

No excuses.

When Marg, called him out back then, what was his excuse?

Floyd was fresh off the Judah fight - and we all know what went down in that fight. Hurt nuts, your trainer getting banned, his hand got messed up, and he was on the outs with Arum anyway. Arum wanted Floyd to face Cheato 6 months after Judah because Arum wanted Floyd to lose.

Floyd would have taken that fight had it been booked in November, which would have given him time to heal. Instead he fought Baldomir, and even during that fight you can see his hand was bugging him badly, but he fought through it.

If you want to blame someone, blame Bob Arum for sabotaging his fighter. Just like Arum did when he booked Pacquiao/Bradley 1.

When boxing fans calling him out to fight Pac back then, what was his excuse?

Floyd called Manny directly. Offered him $40 million. Offered to wire him $20 million. This would be a small portion of a larger pay estimated to basically be a 70/30 split. All Manny had to do was say yes, and agree to random blood and urine testing up to the night of the fight.

Manny Pacquiao turned Floyd Mayweather down. First, because he wanted a 50/50 payday, which wasn't happening. Then it was "I don't like needles". Then it was "I feel drained if I get tested the night of the fight", all these excuses not to face the man who was calling HIM out.

Shortly after that negotiation fell through, you notice Manny Pacquiao NEVER got another knockout in his career. This is late 2009+. He was still in prime. That's mighty funny.

In 2015 when Floyd called him out again, now it's an even bigger payday. Still a 70/30 split but now all of a sudden it's okay. Freddie Roach is on record saying he wished Manny would not take the fight because he knew that without Alex Ariza, Manny wasn't beating Floyd Mayweather, now or then.

Boxing smarks think they know what's going on. They don't. Floyd tried to make the fight. Blame #48 for why it didn't happen in 2009. If you want the fight, you do what the A-side says you do, just like Floyd had to against Oscar.

When Marquez who was 2 divisions below him called him out, he unretired demanded a catchweight fight and then cheat him 2 lbs more, paid his way into a fight LOL.

spin that genius floyd fans

Here's the thing. Tim Bradley put a schooling on Marquez without the conditions you talked about.

My opinion: Floyd didn't need the catchweight at all and chose to do so in order to dominate Marquez so soundly as to support a Manny fight afterwards. Here's this guy that Manny struggles with, and I walk right through him. Now let's do MayPac in 2009, he agrees to my terms, we make this superfight and I walk through him too.

Also, beating Marquez was yet another black eye against Bob Arum in Floyd's quest for independence.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Manny could barely hang with Marquez on 41 rounds yet Bradley and Mayweather both made easy work of him. That's all that matters.

And we don't even to talk about Manny ducking Canelo. We don't.

[aboutfkntime]

So I guess you missed it when I criticized his resume and criticized him regarding CWs in the 2 other threads we are talking on?

That's my point. It's about GGG with you, not the situation. In a Ward 164 thread, you berate him for how he is asking for a CW. But in a Canelo 155 thread, instead of berating Canelo for asking a 155 CW, you make the discussion into GGG being a hypocrite.

He is a fkn hypocrite

First, he tried to catchweight Ward, and he justified that demand by stating that he was the a-side..... now he doesn't like catchweights, and he no longer thinks that a fighters ability to draw is relevant

He is absolutely a fkn hypocrite, and so are you.