Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I Would've Beat Golovkin, They Would Still Complain

[aboutfkntime]

This isn't trying to get Floyd out of retirement to fight GGG. This is me criticizing him for not fighting GGG when Floyd was still active. I highly doubt he just suddenly came to the conclusion he would beat GGG after he retired, meaning if he thought he could beat GGG as an active fighter and that fight was readily available on his terms, it's easily more than fair to criticize him.

Golovkin is a middleweight, you silly ****.

Mayweather does not belong anywhere near middleweight.

This is how much of a silly **** you are.....

1) you criticize a welter for not fighting a middleweight

2) you make excuses to justify why a middleweight who states that he can beat anyone at 168, and who has made offers to half-a-dozen SMW's, for demanding a catchweight that he knows Andre Ward cannot make.

That absolutely REEKS of biased fanboy.

Just saying.....

[hugh grant]

If Golovkin could beat Canelo, he would fight him.

See how easy that was ?

Deary me, more like if nelo thought he could beat GGG he wouldn't ask ridiculous cw! Everyone doesn't like nelos request for a 155 fight! Don't nelo want credit for beating ggg @ 160? If GGG thought he could beat khan I'm sure he'd fight khan. Not sure how much credit he would get though.
And the problem nobody wants to fight GGG and Floyd isn't the only one scared. He is willing to come doiwn to 155 for Floyd. He can request acw against ward as he hasn't ever had one before

[Raonic]

Golovkin is a middleweight, you silly ****.

Mayweather does not belong anywhere near middleweight.

This is how much of a silly **** you are.....

1) you criticize a welter for not fighting a middleweight

2) you make excuses to justify why a middleweight who states that he can beat anyone at 168, and who has made offers to half-a-dozen SMW's, for demanding a catchweight that he knows Andre Ward cannot make.

That absolutely REEKS of biased fanboy.

Just saying.....

I never said once Maywether belongs at MW nor did I criticize him the last couple of pages for not fighting GGG (if you can find where I called Floyd a coward, *****, or anything like that the past couple of pages, let me know). All I said was that if they were to fight, GGG was willing to go down to 154 because Floyd was the champ at that weight and was the money maker (both of which are main drivers when it comes to negotiation).

And what I said is what I believe regardless of whether or not it was GGG. If this was Peter Quillien/Danny Jacobs/Sergio Martinez/Andy Lee/David Lemieux/any other 160 champ recently, I would say the exact same thing. If they are fighting for Ward's title, they should fight at 168 but if it was a non-title fight, they have the right to ask for a weight relative to how much money they bring to the table. If they were to fight for Canelo's title, it should be at 160 but if it was a non-title fight, then Canelo has the right to ask for a weight relative to how much money he brings.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

That is such B.S. I would give Floyd tons of credit if he actually beat GGG at 154. If he did it at 160, even more obviously, but still.

Him talking about beating GGG is a joke. Floyd is old and nowhere near his best. I don't give him a chance in hell at beating a very skilled boxer who's bigger than him and hasn't really shown much signs of decline. Whether you guys believe it or not, size does matter. Floyd beat up a drained/young version of Canelo. Guess who also beat a younger Canelo's ass in sparring? Golovkin...

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don't agree with Floyd at all here. Had he beaten GGG he would have gotten major props. He got major props for taking Canelo to school. Those 2 pounds didn't have anything to do with the outcome. He put on a great display. Most people watching the fight had no idea about the catchweight any way.
Floyd never wanted that fight period.

No he didn't. All people say is that Floyd "drained" Canelo, Canelo was "green", Canelo "hadn't fought anybody", Canelo "had no experience", Canelo was a "rookie", Floyd "ran all night", etc.

Floyd has not gotten props for victories in almost 10 years. The last fight I can recall him getting nothing but credit for was Corrales. Every other person he's beaten, there's some excuse not to give him props or some complaint about his style or some whining about who he DIDN'T fight "in their prime". All the while people ignore that Floyd called all but one of them out "in their prime" and got told no (Margarito was the only one).

[hugh grant]

No he didn't. All people say is that Floyd "drained" Canelo, Canelo was "green", Canelo "hadn't fought anybody", Canelo "had no experience", Canelo was a "rookie", Floyd "ran all night", etc.

Floyd has not gotten props for victories in almost 10 years. The last fight I can recall him getting nothing but credit for was Corrales. Every other person he's beaten, there's some excuse not to give him props or some complaint about his style or some whining about who he DIDN'T fight "in their prime". All the while people ignore that Floyd called all but one of them out "in their prime" and got told no (Margarito was the only one).

Are you saying Floyd shouldn't have fought anyone these last 10 years as nobody gives him credit? That he should have retired years ago?
If he didn't fight he wouldn't be one of the best of this era now would he?

People were criticising floydf before he beat nelo anyway. Not just after he beat him! The CWS for someone who was green. At least cotto wasn't green when PAC beat him

[UNBIASED BOXING]

No he didn't. All people say is that Floyd "drained" Canelo, Canelo was "green", Canelo "hadn't fought anybody", Canelo "had no experience", Canelo was a "rookie", Floyd "ran all night", etc.

Floyd has not gotten props for victories in almost 10 years. The last fight I can recall him getting nothing but credit for was Corrales. Every other person he's beaten, there's some excuse not to give him props or some complaint about his style or some whining about who he DIDN'T fight "in their prime". All the while people ignore that Floyd called all but one of them out "in their prime" and got told no (Margarito was the only one).

Well, what do you expect? You get props typically for fighting people at their best, or when you step up in opponents. Wilder got props for fighting and beating Stiverne. Fury got a mixture of props/hate after beating Klitschko. Etc.

Maidana didn't really have any big wins coming in vs Floyd. Broner is a decent name, but nothing big. He also lost to Khan and Alexander already... He put on a great show, don't get me wrong, but people are acting like Maidana was a top 3 welterweight or something? GTFO.

Guerrero/Berto--- nothing needs to be said here. Both are B-level opponents.

Pacquiao is a great name to have on his resume, but again, whether it's Floyd or Manny's fault, or someone elses, this fight happened late and would have been more acceptable several years ago. Fighter's don't age the same. You know this. I'm not saying Manny aged more, but it certainly makes a big difference when you're the smaller fighter and had been KO'd in a recent fight. If anything, it just goes to show Manny's not the same level of fighter anymore.


Cotto? I have nothing wrong with this win by Floyd.

Canelo? Yeah he was drained. He came in 165 compared to his normal 170ish weight range. It does make a big difference. Cut weight, and see how you much weaker you feel physically, and also how much easier it is to get tired. Regardless, Floyd took him to school, but I can't help but wonder if Canelo could have made it slightly closer had it been at 154. Still a decent win over an up-and-coming pro. Nobody knows how GGG would fare if he went down to 154. I think he could make that weight, and rehydrate to 167-168 without too much trouble. He would just need a longer time of preparation. 6-8 months maybe would be best. Or who knows, maybe he does it easily?

Mosely? Great name, bad timing. Old and out of his prime for sure. 39 years old and over the next 3 years went on a horrible downward spiral.

Marquez? Please. He moved up two classes to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even do him the respect of at least making the catch weight for the fight. Floyd doesn't get any props for beating up a small guy who moved up this much and fought him for the first time at this weight class.

Ortiz? He can take credit for this fight, I don't care, but Ortiz is a mediocre name to have on his resume anyways.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Are you saying Floyd shouldn't have fought anyone these last 10 years as nobody gives him credit? That he should have retired years ago?
If he didn't fight he wouldn't be one of the best of this era now would he?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

But it can be argued that he didn't need to come back out of retirement right away before the Marquez fight because he didn't get credit for any of the wins anyway. Those fights were all about money - and I don't hate on him for it. He'd still be best of the era because at that point he hadn't had any controversies besides the Castillo 1 decision.

Besides, had he waited until after Marquez put Manny to sleep and THEN schooled Marquez with no catchweight and no drug testing, it'd be way more impressive...and less importance would have been put on fighting Manny.

Well, what do you expect? You get props typically for fighting people at their best, or when you step up in opponents. Wilder got props for fighting and beating Stiverne. Fury got a mixture of props/hate after beating Klitschko. Etc.

Wilder got flack for beating an out-of-shape Stiverne AND got flack for not knocking him out. Everyone thought Stiverne threw the fight. Same with Fury/Grabomir; people thought Clinchko threw that fight.

Maidana didn't really have any big wins coming in vs Floyd. Broner is a decent name, but nothing big. He also lost to Khan and Alexander already... He put on a great show, don't get me wrong, but people are acting like Maidana was a top 3 welterweight or something? GTFO.

Marcos Maidana was WBA Super Welterweight Champion. How do you not give credit when a guy goes and beats a champion, takes his title and then beats him again in the rematch? Much less a champion with proven power against Broner and Ortiz?

Guerrero/Berto--- nothing needs to be said here. Both are B-level opponents.

I wouldn't put Guerrero as B level, but Guerrero was #3 ranked when they fought and the mandatory/interim on the WBC. I say again how do you criticize when a guy beats the mandatory?

As far as Berto goes, you can blame that on Berto. Floyd specifically said he would face whoever won Berto/Ortiz, but wanted to face Berto. That was back when Berto was still undefeated and running through guys except his last fight. When Ortiz exposed him, Floyd had no choice but to face Ortiz. You can call Berto a bum now after seeing his decline, but back before the Ortiz fight people were calling him P4P.

Pacquiao is a great name to have on his resume, but again, whether it's Floyd or Manny's fault, or someone elses, this fight happened late and would have been more acceptable several years ago. Fighter's don't age the same. You know this. I'm not saying Manny aged more, but it certainly makes a big difference when you're the smaller fighter and had been KO'd in a recent fight. If anything, it just goes to show Manny's not the same level of fighter anymore.

Manny's not the same level of fighter because he gained weight, just like Floyd. Both of them were more dominant as smaller fighters. I don't blame age for that, they aren't even yet 40. Let's not forget how long George Foreman was beating fighters and winning titles. Age is no excuse.

Manny got beat by a better fighter and frankly, had 130 Manny faced 130 Floyd, Manny would have gotten embarrassed worse because back then he had NO concept of defense or head movement - which is why Erik Morales bloodied him and put him out - and Floyd was way more powerful and precise.

Canelo? Yeah he was drained. He came in 165 compared to his normal 170ish weight range. It does make a big difference. Cut weight, and see how you much weaker you feel physically, and also how much easier it is to get tired. Regardless, Floyd took him to school, but I can't help but wonder if Canelo could have made it slightly closer had it been at 154.

Canelo's walking weight is 168-172. SO the idea he was weaker at 165 is a joke to me.

I know about weight cuts and the effect - and the fact is, the only fighter that was truly affected by weight against Floyd was Marquez. Canelo just got schooled by a better fighter, period. Canelo himself said so.

Mosely? Great name, bad timing. Old and out of his prime for sure. 39 years old and over the next 3 years went on a horrible downward spiral.

Blame Mosley for that. Floyd called him out years before that fight and got told no because at the time Floyd was a not a money fight yet.

Marquez? Please. He moved up two classes to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even do him the respect of at least making the catch weight for the fight. Floyd doesn't get any props for beating up a small guy who moved up this much and fought him for the first time at this weight class.

He SHOULD get props for manhandling and walking down the guy Manny Pacquiao couldn't decisively beat across 42 rounds.

Ortiz? He can take credit for this fight, I don't care, but Ortiz is a mediocre name to have on his resume anyways.

Ortiz had just exposed a fighter that everyone believed was the next big thing in Andre Berto and back then Ortiz was an explosive, dangerous fighter despite his general resume. Again, the only reason that fight happened is that Berto got exposed.


See that's the thing. Floyd has called out NUMEROUS fighters back in the turn of the century who all ducked him for one reason or another.

Later, when Floyd was pulling 7-8 figure fight numbers, people all of a sudden are lining up to face him. Or as some of you call it, "past prime". That's not Floyd's fault.

Floyd specifically called Manny for a fight in 2009 and Manny essentially ducked him because he was afraid of getting caught out on PEDs. I don't want to hear it. Anyone who says they're afraid of needles yet rocks tattoos is hiding something.

[hugh grant]

Fact is Floyd has gotten credit for all his wins but people have put the wins into perspective, but Floyd and his fans expect people to worship Floyd like he's the best thing since sliced bread or something?

He's considered by many the best of this era after his win over PAC. So obviously he's getting credit.
Its silly and immature to say he won't get credit for besting GGG.

[screwhead1]

So if GGG beats Floyd, he gets no credit?