Comparison Between Gennady Golovkin and Bernard Hopkins Title Reigns

[GhostofDempsey]

You make some good points but I think the following points need to be shot down:

1. Neither Trinidad or Oscar were "blown up welters". Both were established champions at 154. Trinidad moved up in weight and flat out obliterated William Joppy who was a top 3 middelweight in the world. That proved he belonged.

With Oscar, he never really had success at 160 other than a gift decision over Sturm. But neither he or Tito jumped from 147 to 160 the way Kell Brook did. Unlike Brook, they had success at 154 and had previous fights at 160.

2. I don't see how you can rate Jacobs over Joppy and Holmes. Both of those guys beat numerous guys ranked in the top 10 whereas Jacobs only beat Quillin.

I take into consideration Hopkins size as a MW. At 6'1" his frame could carry more weight and he had a lot of advantages over DLH and Trinidad. I look at that as blown up MW, especially DLH who dropped back to 154 and 147 afterwards. While Brook came up from 147, he is a big WW and walks around at 175, so he actually had to push himself to make 160 against GGG. After his fight with Spence he'll likely move to 154.

When you look at the size difference between Jacobs and GGG, there is no one on Hopkins MW reign that towered over him or outweighed him by that scale. I have to consider the odds that a fighter has to overcome to be victorious. Hopkins never faced those odds.

I recall watching a couple of those Robert Allen fights and they were ugly. Lots of wrestling and filled with fouls from both fighters. Hopkins had a reputation for being dirty and he carried that with him to LHW. GGG hasn't resorted to cheap shots and dirty tactics. No theatrics faking an injury like he did against Jones and Dawson. Yes, those were LHW fights so they don't fit into context of this discussion regarding his MW reign, but they do represent him as a fighter overall.

For the record, I am not a big fan of GGG either. I enjoy watching his fights, but I think he is fairly basic and limited as a boxer. He is fortunate to thrive in a very weak division right now.

[MDPopescu]

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should GGG be considered lineal after beating Jacobs or does he have to eliminate BJS?

... the "lineal champion" at the MW is still active, and his name is Saul Canelo Alvarez...

[13777]

His best wins are Murray, Geale, Proska and Lemieux

Never KO'ed before Daniel Geale & Martin Murray are his best wins, sure. But is Grzegorz Proksa really a better win than a prime Macklin who arguably beat Felix Sturm, destroyed the Joachim Alcine that beat Lemieux, and has a number of solid wins (Wayne El****, Amin Asikainen, Brian Rose, Luis Ramon Campas)? Proksa beat Sebastian Sylvester that's it. The Kell Brook that fought GGG would've destroyed Proksa.

I also feel that GGG has some solid overlooked pre-WBA title wins: He was the first to KO Siarhei Khamitski, who went on to knock down and beat the crap out of Robert Stieglitz (issues with his gloves resulted in a BS TKO loss), arguably beat Martin Murray, and upset Jamie Moore and undefeated Frank Buglioni & Adam Etches. Also Ian Gardner who gave prime undefeated Arthur Abraham all he could handle, and has solid wins over Tokunbo Olajide, Quvonchbek Toygonbayev, undefeated Deandre Latimore.

While Makoto Fuchigami & Lajuan Simon are crap world title defenses. At least Nilson Julio Tapia has a win over Jorge Sebastian Heiland.

[therealpugilist]

It's so cloudy because of how boxing works nowadays. I think instead of looking at lineal or paper title defenses, we should start looking at it as "how many ranked contenders did you beat?"

Cleaning out your division of the easiest way to establish "who the man in the division is".

It's funny how these two careers are playing out so similar. It took Hopkins years to get his shot on the big stage, the same way it's taking GGG a while.

What young fighters can learn from both guys is, stay active, clean out your division, grab all of the titles, and force the big names to come and fight you.

Can't go wrong being active but GGG has no where near 17 title defenses

[bigjavi973]

Ducking outright means you are actually forfeiting which automatically means the other guy is superior and this is nothing but a fact so a GGG resume should have all these hidden names as well.

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[Madison Boxing]

Hopkins gets credit for.beating a welterweight but golovkin doesn't. That's the main difference

[-PBP-]

Never KO'ed before Daniel Geale & Martin Murray are his best wins, sure. But is Grzegorz Proksa really a better win than a prime Macklin who arguably beat Felix Sturm, destroyed the Joachim Alcine that beat Lemieux, and has a number of solid wins (Wayne El****, Amin Asikainen, Brian Rose, Luis Ramon Campas)? Proksa beat Sebastian Sylvester that's it. The Kell Brook that fought GGG would've destroyed Proksa.

I also feel that GGG has some solid overlooked pre-WBA title wins: He was the first to KO Siarhei Khamitski, who went on to knock down and beat the crap out of Robert Stieglitz (issues with his gloves resulted in a BS TKO loss), arguably beat Martin Murray, and upset Jamie Moore and undefeated Frank Buglioni & Adam Etches. Also Ian Gardner who gave prime undefeated Arthur Abraham all he could handle, and has solid wins over Tokunbo Olajide, Quvonchbek Toygonbayev, undefeated Deandre Latimore.

While Makoto Fuchigami & Lajuan Simon are crap world title defenses. At least Nilson Julio Tapia has a win over Jorge Sebastian Heiland.

First off, good look on the clarification of the pre-title reign opponents. I am familiar with some of those fights but not the fighters themselves.

As far as Proska/Macklin, Macklin is a more accomplished fighter without question. But I think it's fair to say that the Proska that GGG fought was closer to prime condition than Macklin who had been through numerous wars throughout his career including a brutal stoppage versus Sergio Martinez.

Regardless, when you lay out his resume on paper, you can start to see how dominant he has been and how he has bascially cleaned out 160 over the past 4 or 5 years.

[-PBP-]

Hopkins gets credit for.beating a welterweight but golovkin doesn't. That's the main difference

No crying in boxing bro. This is a man's sport.

[Madison Boxing]

No crying in boxing bro. This is a man's sport.

Tell the people *****ing about the decision that....

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Tell the people *****ing about the decision that....

People ***** about every decision. Here I make a positive thread saying that Golovkin's title reign is similar to Hopkins and you are ****ting on it. Even when we kiss GGG's ass you whiners aren't happy.