Comments Thread For: Canelo is Proud of His Resume, Says Golovkin Fight Will Happen

[Raonic]

And I just explained that catchweights have nothing to do with titles.

Catchweight's concern weight, not titles.

Titles do not exclude or include catchweights, they have nothing to do with each other..... catchweights are completely unnecessary and should be completely abolished.

I just find your reasoning for conveniently accepting catchweights for non-title fights really weak.

The only reason why you could possibly object to catchweights for a title fight is because it undermines the integrity of the 17 weight divisions, and is highly disrespectful both of the sport, and of your opponent.....

..... well, the same applies whether a title is on the line or not genius.

So yea, I find that reasoning conveniently weak is all.

In a perfect world, all fights would be at division limit. CWs are there to help 2 fighters come together, especially when they are a division or 2 apart. It's also a sign of compromise. I do think it is abused way too much, but not something that should be abolished.

[285Kid]

Canelo's "power" Kirkland is the only guy over 147 he put down (Kirkland was drained)

[aboutfkntime]

In a perfect world, all fights would be at division limit. CWs are there to help 2 fighters come together, especially when they are a division or 2 apart. It's also a sign of compromise. I do think it is abused way too much, but not something that should be abolished.

You are all over the place.

According to the bold, catchweights are completely unnecessary.

If you show me a fight that simply " HAD " to have a catchweight, I will show you one of 2 things.....

* a fight where 1 guy could have dared to be great, but chose not to..... in which case, who fkn cares?

* a genuine exhibition match, which is completely irrelevant to boxing..... in which case, who fkn cares?

Different standards I guess.

[Raonic]

You are all over the place.

According to the bold, catchweights are completely unnecessary.

If you show me a fight that simply " HAD " to have a catchweight, I will show you one of 2 things.....

* a fight where 1 guy could have dared to be great, but chose not to..... in which case, who fkn cares?

* a genuine exhibition match, which is completely irrelevant to boxing..... in which case, who fkn cares?

Different standards I guess.

Lol actually, I'm not all over the place. According to the bold, I clearly said in a perfect world, CW's wouldn't exist. Boxing isn't a perfect world. That's why CWs will always continue to exist. I don't like CWs but considering it exists and will continue to exist, I'm willing to accept it in certain circumstances. (i.e non-title fights) and I've been consistent with how I view fights in those situations.

If anything, you've been all over the place. How exactly can you criticize GGG for asking for a 164 CW but then criticize him for disagreeing with someone who is asking for a CW? If you want to critique GGG for asking for a 164 CW, I don't blame you since I completely understand the stance of not liking CWs at all. But then you are also criticizing him for not wanting the 155 CW. I get GGG's being hypocritical there but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite as opposed to looking at each situation on it's own merit.

And chalking it up to "dared" to be great is meaningless in the grand scheme of things because it can easily end up being a 1 sided negotiation. I love fighters who take risks but it's not exactly as simple as that. The boxing world hasn't worked that way in decades.

[aboutfkntime]

Lol actually, I'm not all over the place. According to the bold, I clearly said in a perfect world, CW's wouldn't exist. Boxing isn't a perfect world. That's why CWs will always continue to exist. I don't like CWs but considering it exists and will continue to exist, I'm willing to accept it in certain circumstances. (i.e non-title fights) and I've been consistent with how I view fights in those situations.

If anything, you've been all over the place. How exactly can you criticize GGG for asking for a 164 CW but then criticize him for disagreeing with someone who is asking for a CW? If you want to critique GGG for asking for a 164 CW, I don't blame you since I completely understand the stance of not liking CWs at all. But then you are also criticizing him for not wanting the 155 CW. I get GGG's being hypocritical there but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite as opposed to looking at each situation on it's own merit.

And chalking it up to "dared" to be great is meaningless in the grand scheme of things because it can easily end up being a 1 sided negotiation. I love fighters who take risks but it's not exactly as simple as that. The boxing world hasn't worked that way in decades.

I couldn't care less what you are willing to accept.

Neither does Canelo, and neither does anyone else.

I don't recall reading a rule that said Raonic must approve the cw first.

I don't recall reading a rule that says cw's cannot be used in title fights.

I explained to you earlier, catchweights concern weight, not titles..... and Golovkin was fine with attempting to drain Ward on the scale.

If you play with fire, you will get burnt..... no big surprise there.

If you accept catchweight's, don't be arrogant or silly enough to think that you can control them..... or that you will have any say at all.

You played with fire, you got burnt.

[Raonic]

I couldn't care less what you are willing to accept.

Neither does Canelo, and neither does anyone else.

I don't recall reading a rule that said Raonic must approve the cw first.

I don't recall reading a rule that says cw's cannot be used in title fights.

I explained to you earlier, catchweights concern weight, not titles..... and Golovkin was fine with attempting to drain Ward on the scale.

If you play with fire, you will get burnt..... no big surprise there.

If you accept catchweight's, don't be arrogant or silly enough to think that you can control them..... or that you will have any say at all.

You played with fire, you got burnt.

Jesus are you ******ed?

What the hell are you talking about? I never said people had to agree with what I said. I even outright said if you personally don't like CWs in any circumstances, I don't hold you against it at all. All I said was regardless of my stance and your stance, I've been consistent with it. You haven't.

I'm criticizing you for your hypocrisy, not of your stance with CWs. If you want to criticize GGG for asking for a 164 CW, go ahead. I don't hold it against you at all. I'm holding it against you because you haven't been consistent. Because when it comes to the Canelo fight, you blatantly criticized GGG for not wanting to negotiate the 160 weight he is asking for, even though him asking for 160 agrees with what you just said of no CWs.

Criticizing GGG for asking for a CW but then criticizing him in Canelo discussions because doesn't want to negotiate the weight is outright ****** and inconsistent.

A big problem here is you like to make assumptions. Everything with you can easily be chalked up to thinking whoever defends GGG is a fanboy and is wrong, even though I've said I make my opinions/stances based on the situation and have acted the same way each time.

Another problem is that you're too concerned about what GGG is doing as opposed to sticking to your stances. The past few pages, you've actually criticizing GGG for asking for a CW at 164 but then criticizing him as well about the Canelo fight, where he's refused the 155 CW (or any CW with Canelo). I get that you think he's a hypocrite but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite, even if some of what he's done aligns with what your stances are.

But keep thinking you "won".

[elgu]

Translation: The fight will happen...just not while GGG is in his prime. I'm as much of a ***** as Chavez Jr. I like to drain myself and my opponent and i like to take advantage of my ignorant fans who will support me no matter what I do. The A side has spoken.

[aboutfkntime]

Jesus are you ******ed?

What the hell are you talking about? I never said people had to agree with what I said. I even outright said if you personally don't like CWs in any circumstances, I don't hold you against it at all. All I said was regardless of my stance and your stance, I've been consistent with it. You haven't.

I'm criticizing you for your hypocrisy, not of your stance with CWs. If you want to criticize GGG for asking for a 164 CW, go ahead. I don't hold it against you at all. I'm holding it against you because you haven't been consistent. Because when it comes to the Canelo fight, you blatantly criticized GGG for not wanting to negotiate the 160 weight he is asking for, even though him asking for 160 agrees with what you just said of no CWs.

Criticizing GGG for asking for a CW but then criticizing him in Canelo discussions because doesn't want to negotiate the weight is outright ****** and inconsistent.

A big problem here is you like to make assumptions. Everything with you can easily be chalked up to thinking whoever defends GGG is a fanboy and is wrong, even though I've said I make my opinions/stances based on the situation and have acted the same way each time.

Another problem is that you're too concerned about what GGG is doing as opposed to sticking to your stances. The past few pages, you've actually criticizing GGG for asking for a CW at 164 but then criticizing him as well about the Canelo fight, where he's refused the 155 CW (or any CW with Canelo). I get that you think he's a hypocrite but you're more concerned about him being a hypocrite, even if some of what he's done aligns with what your stances are.

But keep thinking you "won".

That's the very same dishonest **** you tried on the other thread.

You are attempting to insinuate that I have double-standards..... you said that I defended Canelo's catchweight, and then bashed Golovkin's..... and yet that is utter bull****.....

IT happened the OPPOSITE way around.

..... I bashed Golovkin for demanding a catchweight from Ward after stating for THREE FKN YEARS that he can beat anyone from 154-168..... AND THEN, I laughed at Golovkin when Canelo pulled those EXACT SAME chicken-**** tactics on him.

And if you truly were an unbiased fan, that would be really obvious to you.

You are the OFFICIAL Golovkin Defense Force..... you are currently defending him on 3 different threads.

[Raonic]

That's the very same dishonest **** you tried on the other thread.

Nope.

I made my stance on CWs and judged the situation based on what I believe. Whether you agree with my stance is different but I've been consistent on how I view CW fights.

You believe CWs should never be used but criticize GGG for not willing to negotiate Canelo's CW.

[aboutfkntime]

Nope.

I made my stance on CWs and judged the situation based on what I believe. Whether you agree with my stance is different but I've been consistent on how I view CW fights.

You believe CWs should never be used but criticize GGG for not willing to negotiate Canelo's CW.

I think you are a dishonest fanboy clown, just like kafkod.

I believe that catchweights are COMPLETELY unnecessary, but I also believe in the following.....

1) you reap, what you sow

2) do unto others, as you would have them do to you

3) you made your bed, now lie in it

Sound familiar, because those sayings are recipes for LIFE.

FACT: catchweights exist, and Golovkin used a catchweight as a negotiating tactic against Ward..... so now he can chew lettuce for a real A-side fighter.

The only thing worse than catchweights..... are dishonest hypejobs who use catchweights, but then cry foul when they are used on them.