Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Canelo 155 Demand is Crazy! He is Champion at 160!

[Bronx2245]

I respect Bernard for what he's done but Oscar was a naturally smaller opponent in a non-mandatory money fight; losing weight for a massive payday was therefore not unreasonable. Conversely, Bernard moving up to beat a prime Tarver, now that's the stuff of champions.

With Canelo, we have a belt holder, who's slightly bigger than the challenger, demanding a severe CW for a mandatory defense against a guy who most consider THE best MW on the planet. Because I only care about exciting fights being made with no interest regarding how much money he's making, I see it as Canelo being the one who needs to step up and behave like a champion, not GGG. Yes, Canelo isn't the only diva in boxing who's done this, but precedent doesn't justify the fact that it just stinks. It's disrespectful to the sport and the MW heritage.

Beautifully said, and I agree with you on two statements: 1) Catch weights suck 2) It is disrespectful to the sport. However this is NOT disrespectful to the MW heritage because precedent does matter, i.e. Bernard Hopkins accepting Oscar's terms, or Floyd accepting Oscar's terms, or Cotto accepting Pacquiao's terms, or Canelo accepting Mayweather's terms, etc., etc. Take the challenge and take the belt! It has been done in the past, and I really feel that GGG can do it too. To not accept, and not at least call his bluff (because I still think GBP wants to wait) is unacceptable!

[HeroBando]

Beautifully said, and I agree with you on two statements: 1) Catch weights suck 2) It is disrespectful to the sport. However this is NOT disrespectful to the MW heritage because precedent does matter, i.e. Bernard Hopkins accepting Oscar's terms, or Floyd accepting Oscar's terms, or Cotto accepting Pacquiao's terms, or Canelo accepting Mayweather's terms, etc., etc. Take the challenge and take the belt! It has been done in the past, and I really feel that GGG can do it too. To not accept, and not at least call his bluff (because I still think GBP wants to wait) is unacceptable!

So it's unacceptable that Ward passed on a much better offer of 50/50 for 164, gotcha

[THC]

Bottom line is I'm hoping the fight gets made at 160 because Canelo will get far more cred for defeating a GGG who's not a drained wreck. This is how a true champion operates. Respect the sport, your opponents, and maintain some semblance of personal integrity because there's no umbrella organization with the juice to enforce transparency. Certainly can't rely on the current pack of promoters, state commissions, and "managers".

[buge]

Belts haven't mattered for a very long time:

September 19, 2004:

As Hopkins, 39, celebrated with a somersault and a leap onto the ropes, De La Hoya pounded the mat in frustration, knowing that he had lost the fight that he said would define his career...

The victory doubtless gave Hopkins the respect he believed the boxing establishment denied him despite 18 successful defenses of his middleweight titles

Meanwhile, De La Hoya knew that despite winning eight titles in six weight classes since turning pro in 1992 and despite generating more pay-per-view business than any non heavyweight, this would be is most important fight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/sp...hoya.html?_r=0

What if Hopkins wouldn't have accepted that catch-weight? Yet at 39, he did! No one cared about the 18 defenses, it was the De La Hoya fight that brought him the recognition he deserved! This is what champions do!

That was some dumb**** writing an article then.

What do people think of Bernard now? What is his legacy? Nobody gives two ****s about him beating De La Hoya, it's his consecutive middleweight belts and winning belts at an older age that define his greatness.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Beautifully said, and I agree with you on two statements: 1) Catch weights suck 2) It is disrespectful to the sport. However this is NOT disrespectful to the MW heritage because precedent does matter, i.e. Bernard Hopkins accepting Oscar's terms, or Floyd accepting Oscar's terms, or Cotto accepting Pacquiao's terms, or Canelo accepting Mayweather's terms, etc., etc. Take the challenge and take the belt! It has been done in the past, and I really feel that GGG can do it too. To not accept, and not at least call his bluff (because I still think GBP wants to wait) is unacceptable!

So all GGG has to do, is beat a blown up welterweight to become great by your logic.

So what lets say Khan beats Canelo. Why would that make Gennady great all of a sudden?

[Bronx2245]

So it's unacceptable that Ward passed on a much better offer of 50/50 for 164, gotcha

Ward already proved himself to be the best at 168, remember the Super Six, Carl Froch, etc. It's GGG that needs to fight one of the great ones like Ward. In that case, like Mayweather going up and beating Oscar, GGG should've went up to beat Ward, just like his people said, "Anyone from 154 to 168."

[Bronx2245]

So all GGG has to do, is beat a blown up welterweight to become great by your logic.

So what lets say Khan beats Canelo. Why would that make Gennady great all of a sudden?

If Canelo loses, then GGG loses. GGG will just never be at the level of B-Hop, Oscar, Mayweather, and Pacquiao are at now, without fighting someone like Canelo or Andre Ward. David Lemieux just isn't enough!

[Bronx2245]

That was some dumb**** writing an article then.

What do people think of Bernard now? What is his legacy? Nobody gives two ****s about him beating De La Hoya, it's his consecutive middleweight belts and winning belts at an older age that define his greatness.

But in 2004, that was his greatest achievement. He beat the guy who everyone thought was the "Golden Boy." He accepted Oscar's terms, came in @ "156," and took his title! That's what champions do!

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either GGG takes 155 or there won't be a fight.

canelo would definitely be remembered as one of the lowest cowards in boxing history, definitely the worst lineal MW champion ever.

Can you think of any others who would have had a worse "reign"?

[HeroBando]

Ward already proved himself to be the best at 168, remember the Super Six, Carl Froch, etc. It's GGG that needs to fight one of the great ones like Ward. In that case, like Mayweather going up and beating Oscar, GGG should've went up to beat Ward, just like his people said, "Anyone from 154 to 168."

Froch? That guy is a cherry pick for Ggg even with a size advantage, in the UK.