who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Rath]

one poor lonely pact@rd left
...so miserable, trying to defend his hero all by himself.

genius floyd fan patented lame spin and pathetic deflection technique in full display.

i can deal with all genius floyd fans combined and they will all end up using these technique.

kindergarten insult.

asian memes

run around the bush

move on let it go salty cries.

crazy reasoning ability and flawed logic

leave the thread for week comeback with an alt and start all over again with their lies.

[Real King Kong]

genius floyd fan patented lame spin and pathetic deflection technique in full display.

i can deal with all genius floyd fans combined and they will all end up using these technique.

kindergarten insult.

asian memes

run around the bush

move on let it go salty cries.

crazy reasoning ability and flawed logic

leave the thread for week comeback with an alt and start all over again with their lies.

Really? You seem a little irritated.

[Rath]

Really? You seem a little irritated.

you already got over the loss you suffered from me?

[Dosumpthin]

Can the red mark on mannys back be caused by an injection? That looks like post injection inflamation to me.


I believe manny was given an illegal injection of toradol.
I wouldnt put it past them.




According the micheal kontz who is mannys LEGAL advisor "The bottom line is that we weren't trying to hide anything. If we had wanted to, we could have done the injection at the hotel before the fight and nobody would have known but we didn't want to hide anything.'

HOWEVER......

As reported by thomas hauser md
"Pacquiao said one day after the bout that he did not disclose the fact of his injury to the public or to the Nevada State Athletic Commission because he feared Mayweather would use the knowledge to his competitive advantage in the fight".



In typical top rank/bob ayrum fashion, you have two contradicting statements. One says we werent trying to hide anything, the the other says they were trying to hide the injury. Business as usual at top rank.







One would have to be on painkiller to lift your arms like this despite a torn rotator cuff.

[Real King Kong]

you already got over the loss you suffered from me?

Mmmkay what a world you live in.

[Rath]

Can the red mark on mannys back be caused by an injection? That looks like post injection inflamation to me.


I believe manny was given an illegal injection of toradol.
I wouldnt put it past them.




According the micheal kontz who is mannys LEGAL advisor "The bottom line is that we weren't trying to hide anything. If we had wanted to, we could have done the injection at the hotel before the fight and nobody would have known but we didn't want to hide anything.'

HOWEVER......

As reported by thomas hauser md
"Pacquiao said one day after the bout that he did not disclose the fact of his injury to the public or to the Nevada State Athletic Commission because he feared Mayweather would use the knowledge to his competitive advantage in the fight".



In typical top rank/bob ayrum fashion, you have two contradicting statements. One says we werent trying to hide anything, the the other says they were trying to hide the injury. Business as usual at top rank.







One would have to be on painkiller to lift your arms like this despite a torn rotator cuff.

if anyone wants to know what is the definition of grasping at straws this is it?

WTF... where did this guy learned his reasoning ability?

[Rath]

Mmmkay what a world you live in.

you're a proud man and i am quite sure you will never acknowledge defeat from a poster like me where english is not the first language not even second.

but it is what it is.

you're bitter and salty and it shows

[Real King Kong]

you're a proud man and i am quite sure you will never acknowledge defeat from a poster like me where english is not the first language not even second.

but it is what it is.

you're bitter and salty and it shows

you're obviously not a proud man...understandably so.

[ADP02]

The reason I linked you to that particular article is because the author mentions that Hauser puts up a solid case that Floyd may not have been dehydrated enough to necessitate an IV. You noted that, which you should have since I asked you to read it.

Sure you did .... Yet you didn't include it in your posts.

But isn't it funny that you take that part, but the rest of the article you throw away as "a deflection job made by a Floyd fan." Once again, from a single source, you accept what fits your agenda and toss out what doesn't.

No. Like I said, the funny part is that you didn't include it when you posted. The article stated that was the most su****ious part about the IV scandal Yet you didn't post it? How come?.

No because I just didn't say that it was a deflection. I explained why it was. BIG difference!

Nothing you typed above presents any proof that Floyd was masking PED's.

My point was that Floyd didn't require an IV. Why he delayed and got an IV when he didn't require an IV? This is all you really need to know bud! Get it? Understand? If not, continue reading the post.

By the way, I wish you and your buddy could read carefully. Once again, the author never said 3 liters would be needed to fool the test. I don't have time to teach you guys reading comprehension skills. It clearly states "Hauser postulates that a 750 ml IV saline infusion would be enough to reduce haematocrit levels from 55% to 47%, but the reality is that closer to three litres of IV saline would be required to produce a similar reduction." If you can't understand this, I don't know what to tell you.

Reading comprehension? Remember that you also posted this:

"I already showed you how the science for the masking conspiracy doesn't even add up. You never told me what you think of that"

reading comprehension?

I think its you that is missing that.

I explained to you that there are holes in that article and explained that to you. I said that there are too many variables to come up with an exact formula (eg X Liters = Y%). That is too simplistic.

Hauser doesn't say that he is an expert in the field. He probably got that information from someone and reported it just like those who wrote the article had someone explain it to them.

The stretch is that the article is trying to ridicule Hauser and saying it actually is 4 times more than 750ml to get that reduction. The fact is that due to so many variables, if you do an experiment, there will be candidates that can get similar values with a lot less than 3L. . Again, I explained it to you but you didn't get it .... but you are the one criticizing everyone else about comprehension problems. Funny stuff!

The point is that you Floyd fans were all high fiving each other like as if it squashed the possibility of Floyd masking with an IV of 750ml or any wrong doings. Even now you keep on asking "How?" I already told you how and will explain it further below.

The point that I also made was this is how athletes mask. By way of an IV. Just like Floyd did.

How does the masking job allow him to pass the test given the next day? You need the planets to align to prove he was doping.

Wrong AGAIN!!! Get ready for the planets to align.

May 2nd post fight test is a scheduled and expected test. So they may have had that covered. What do I mean?

a) They micro-dosed and made sure that the PEDs would no longer be in Floyd's system after the fight.

or if that is not the case

b) Since Floyd already had a supervised IV, they could have EASILY had another unsupervised IV prior to the fight. If the tests showed that Floyd had an IV, well he did on May 1st.

You believe he paid off USADA, but you are unable to give any logical benefit he received from doing so.
You believe he masked PED use, but he gave a partial urine sample from before the IV and the masking job wouldn't allow him to pass the tests given the next day.
Lance got caught. So you believe that somehow means something about Floyd? How?

reading comprehension? I explained this now 20 times?

Lance Armstrong still benefitted big time even though he had to give a sample and the sample turned up to be positive.
Lance benefitted by being allowed to get a retroactive prescription in this case.

Floyd still needs to follow the steps but USADA would help along the way where it can. How?
Floyd should not have received an IV because he was not dehydrated to that point. Everyone knows that. How the heck did Floyd get a retroactive TUE? USADA helped Floyd get one. That is what you call "benefitted "

How did Floyd delay giving urine for 6 hours? USADA accepted Floyd's BS. That is what you call "benefitted "
That much we do know but they are NOT going to tell us everything.

You believe his T/E ratios were off, but this is clearly proven to be inconclusive with regards to declaring someone a cheat.

The article and you downplayed it by making it sound like its normal. That is an incorrect statement. The T/E ratio of Floyd was low. It is considered a red flag.

This is very simple. All of the things you listed are challenging the notion that he was dehydrated. Ok, fine. Where is your proof that he was masking PED's That's what we want to know. Let's see you hurdle the quantum leap. If not, stop wasting my time with these essays and admit you have no proof.

One of the main reasons someone would use an IV is to mask PEDs.

Well, as you saw, except for some Floyd fans, everyone is stating that Floyd did not require an IV.

Nowadays, you do not have to test positive for PEDs to be violating their rules. Nor do you have to be caught red-handed with an IV. Actually Floyd was doing that in the open! We get it. Its a Nevada A-side benefit.

Biological passport is an example of this. The numbers for a given athlete can all be in the normal range but the numbers themselves can be flagged because they are inconsistent.

Due to what the majority have agreed on:
There are numerous violations that could be imposed:
- Floyd should not have received the IV when he requested it. He should not have received a retroactive TUE. Therefore, Floyd used a banned method.

- Floyd delayed giving urine samples.
It would be an anti-doping rule violation of "deliberately Evading, Refusing or Failing to Submit to Sample Collection"

I'm sure we can come up with other infractions.

[ADP02]

You don't get the paradox towards smoke on these ridiculous threads?! Take a look at the poll... To blame Floyd of PEDs means to blame all boxers because anybody can play theory! What's funny is look at the poll, whether you agree with it or not, look at the percentage of opinions counted. Is Floyd the only name there?

The Pac fanatics or Floyd haters can think this is all funny the same way the same people try to justify Manny never agreeing to give blood with Floyd pre May 2nd 2015 years....

''Manny, why won't you do WADA style testing?'' - Brian Kenny ESPN circa 2010

Are you not one of those Floyd fans that was sure that Manny was on PEDs even though you had no proof?

Are you not a Floyd fan that even went as far as doing videos on Manny and PEDs?

Yet after 6+ years of that you come here and talk the way you do. What a big joke!