who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

What happened, homie? You seem to have fallen silent on this little debate. I was having so much fun. Don't tell me that your whole theory depended on your idea that giving urine can't contribute to dehydration (is that what caused the large red font?). Should I take you to task on that just for arguments sake? Since you wanted to go point by point, I'll hit you with possible scenarios of all three reasons he gave for being dehydrated. How's that?

1. Training
This should be self explanatory. When you work out, you sweat and lose water.
Can exercising cause dehydration? Yes. This is a proven fact.

2. Giving Blood
Blood Plasma is 92% water.
Can donating blood cause dehydration? Yes. This is a proven fact.

3. Giving Urine
Urine is 95% water.
Can being required to provide urine contribute to dehydration? Yes. Here is an example of how:

Just for arguments sake, since this seems to be your major issue, let's imagine a boxer is already dehydrated from training and giving blood. The athlete is visited by a testing agency and asked to give urine at various times up to the fight and has difficulty producing enough urine to satisfy the requirement due to a pre-existing state of dehydration. You may think they should just drink lots of water, but that may throw off their weight.

Ever heard of a diuretic? A diuretic is something that causes an increased passage of urine. Do you know what is a side effect of diuretics? You guessed it – Dehydration. As you know, diuretics are illegal in boxing. However, there are natural diuretics that may be used as part of a boxer's diet to aid in reaching/maintaining weight. Using these natural diuretics would also make sense because they would allow the boxer to provide complete urine samples without taking in excess water that may cause them to miss weight.

It is possible that the boxer would have natural or supplemental/non-illegal diuretics in their diet in order to satisfy the requirement for giving a certain amount of urine and maintaining weight. Therefore it follows that the need to provide a certain amount of urine can contribute to dehydration. Now, before you go off on a tangent, you should realize 2 things.

1. I'm not saying Mayweather took any diuretics, illegal or otherwise. He gave urine before the IV, for one. I’m just providing a scenario to show you that being required to give urine can contribute to dehydration.

2. Again, the main point is that you have not been made privy to Mayweather's medical history. As a result, you can't prove that he was without a doubt not dehydrated. All of the above factors could have played a part, any combination of them, or only one. If giving urine did not contribute, but he was only dehydrated from training, well....it's still dehydration.

Is there anything that is unclear?

Man oh man, I just read this. Funny stuff.

Are you serious here? Besides I think you are joking, I'm sure, Floyd's own words would have squashed everything you said.

"Yes, I make weight EASILY!!!" - Floyd Mayweather

Anyways, I just responded to your post.

[Spoon23]

Yup, it's obvious now whose got game in PED cheatin'

The poll has it!

Froid money Mayweather!

It's a rap!

[travestyny]

You finally admitted and said "Hell, I don't know"
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Exactly! That is the point. I don't have his medical records and guess what, neither do you. But you are accusing him and say that you can prove it with shoddy evidence. Let's see what you base that on:

1. He didn't have difficulty making weight.
Yep, he stated he was on weight. He also stated he was dehydrated. I guess pick which one to believe that supports your agenda.
2. He didn't declare it in the pre-fight form.
Maybe because he was confident it would be taken care of by fight time, or maybe because he doesn't believe in excuses. Who knows? We all know about Pac and his declaration, but this isn't about Pac so I won't expand on that.
3. NSAC examined him.
Again, when has NSAC ever found someone to be dehydrated? What about De La Hoya, as another poster brought up? Fit and ready to go. lol
4. He stopped giving blood.
I don't know how long the condition lasted to determine whether the blood affected him. Again, neither do you.
5. Urine couldn't have contributed.
I already showed that if he was already dehydrated and they came requiring him to give more urine, it could have affected him.
6. His workouts had tapered off
Neither I nor you can be sure what he was doing at this point. Does tapering off mean he doesn't do anything that causes him to sweat?
7. He could have drank water.
Apparently he did, and presumably everyone involved thought it would be best for him to also have the IV

All of your circumstantial "evidence" doesn't amount to anything when you are not privy to his medical records. You seem to not realize that.

Furthermore, you don't seem to want to take into account that:
1. He gave urine prior to the IV. -- If something was in his system before the IV, they would have found it.
2. He gave urine after the IV. -- If something illegal was in the solution, they would find it.

This means, we are talking about saline and vitamin C. What are you mad about?You mentioned that USADA could have gotten away with a lot of they wanted to. Again, if USADA was bought off, why reveal the IV and TUE? You never addressed this.

[travestyny]

Man oh man, I just read this. Funny stuff.

Are you serious here? Besides I think you are joking, I'm sure, Floyd's own words would have squashed everything you said.

"Yes, I make weight EASILY!!!" - Floyd Mayweather

Anyways, I just responded to your post.

Even after making the weight, you still have to maintain the weight before the weigh-in. Being that it was the day of the weigh-in, do you expect him to go chugging water right before it? You know better than that.

[Reloaded]

Even after making the weight, you still have to maintain the weight before the weigh-in. Being that it was the day of the weigh-in, do you expect him to go chugging water right before it? You know better than that.

You got to understand youre playing the game of facts which is realizing the meaning of what is stated as a whole , they are playing the game of words which is looking for parts of meanings then contradicting them with other parts of meanings , next thing for you is youre on a carousel with morons .

[Jc8804]

Floyd obviously cheated for years. Gave himself away. Usada tried to cover their azz. They caught him knowing he was cheating and turned him in and he still got away with it.

Corruption.
He cherry picked and he doped

[ADP02]

Exactly! That is the point. I don't have his medical records and guess what, neither do you. But you are accusing him and say that you can prove it with shoddy evidence. Let's see what you base that on:

1. He didn't have difficulty making weight.
Yep, he stated he was on weight. He also stated he was dehydrated. I guess pick which one to believe that supports your agenda.
2. He didn't declare it in the pre-fight form.
Maybe because he was confident it would be taken care of by fight time, or maybe because he doesn't believe in excuses. Who knows? We all know about Pac and his declaration, but this isn't about Pac so I won't expand on that.
3. NSAC examined him.
Again, when has NSAC ever found someone to be dehydrated? What about De La Hoya, as another poster brought up? Fit and ready to go. lol
4. He stopped giving blood.
I don't know how long the condition lasted to determine whether the blood affected him. Again, neither do you.
5. Urine couldn't have contributed.
I already showed that if he was already dehydrated and they came requiring him to give more urine, it could have affected him.
6. His workouts had tapered off
Neither I nor you can be sure what he was doing at this point. Does tapering off mean he doesn't do anything that causes him to sweat?
7. He could have drank water.
Apparently he did, and presumably everyone involved thought it would be best for him to also have the IV

All of your circumstantial "evidence" doesn't amount to anything when you are not privy to his medical records. You seem to not realize that.

Furthermore, you don't seem to want to take into account that:
1. He gave urine prior to the IV. -- If something was in his system before the IV, they would have found it.
2. He gave urine after the IV. -- If something illegal was in the solution, they would find it.

This means, we are talking about saline and vitamin C. What are you mad about?You mentioned that USADA could have gotten away with a lot of they wanted to. Again, if USADA was bought off, why reveal the IV and TUE? You never addressed this.

1)

He has always maintained that statement of easily making weight and has history and stats to prove that. In the Manny fight, its backed up by his 30 day weigh in, 2 week, 1 week and hours before his IV weigh in. Its all there but you have blinders on unfortunately.

2) If Floyd is having on going condition which is getting worse, it needs to be reported in that form, what do you not get about that? Yes you need to report it even if he was confident that even though it was getting worse he thought it would get better just a bit after that. Comical indeed!!! But thanks for the laugh!

3) Again, you are way off base here. This discussion is about an athlete who was not found to be significantly dehydrated. Nobody is talking about what you are talking about.

The NSAC physician checks for dehydration for several reasons. This includes, severe weight loss, which Floyd didn't have or the possibility of dehydration being a symptom of a more concerning issue such as an illness, for example.

Finally, you kinda shot yourself in the foot. Did Floyd appear to be in the same state as Oscar? Nope, not even close!

4) Floyd and his fans said otherwise for 5+ years. Floyd did this even though he had the experience of being tested for many fights now. Now why the change in attitude by Floyd and his fans? Its because its now Floyd that is under the microscope and any excuse has now become a good excuse?

Again, since Floyd has been doing this for years, does this mean that he had other IVs that we do not know about?

I can see if it affected him the day of giving blood but are you saying it takes 10 days for it to have affected him? Sounds dumb the more we talk about it .... but continue to burry Floyd! I'm enjoying it!

5) Floyd was lying. Even if you are trying to take a bullet for Floyd here, its insane. Why? Floyd was not even trying to hurry up and give his urine. Floyd has USADA wrapped around its finger. Floyd lets USADA wait hours and hours until he wants to give that urine NOT the other way around! Plus Floyd makes weight EASILY.

6) Floyd I know did go to the gym to stay sharp and fine tune his game plan during his final days and of course he will sweat but we are talking about relatively light workouts at this stage. That will NOT get Floyd severely dehydrated!!! That would be dumb! If Floyd was to require an IV it was not when he was supposedly in the best shape he could be. It was when he was training strenuously and for prolonged periods to get into great shape.

There is enough information about what Floyd did the final days. Floyd even admits what I stated and was not doing what you think he was during the hours leading up to the IV. Since you keep on repeating that you are ignorant on this I have to assume you are being truthful or just closing your eyes. Watch the tapes. Everyone but you knows then!!!

7) The evidence goes counter to what happened. Not even USADA or anyone including Floyd said it was a severe case of dehydration.


Its not circumstantial evidence. Like I said, Floyd was examined so you have no leg to stand on. They concluded that there was no evidence of dehydration that would warrant an IV. You on the other hand do not even have any evidence to support your case. Medical records? Floyd's own testimony , the prefight form, and NSAC physician results, vital signs and weight being stable for 30 days is more than enough evidence.



No, no, no, no, no..... do not make USADA's double talk fool you again. They couldn't get Floyd's complete sample so that is why USADA had to wait something like 7 hours to get the complete sample. Why else was Floyd being followed by USADA? Comical! Plus the way USADA carefully words their counterpoints, makes them doubly su****ious. WHo can trust what they say. USADA did not defend when Manny's team incorrectly checked the checkbox even though they knew about Floyd not doing so as well and then defending Floyd even though he didn't fill the form correctly in about 3 places nor keep the NSAC in the loop until after the fight!!! Why?

You said, why did USADA reveal the IV and TUE? Its simple. Because Floyd actually used an IV and the results from the lab can show this. Maybe that is why it took so long to get a request from Floyd. They forgot about this possibility. Once they realized, they had no choice! Before they didn't have to because it was not in the contract.



I came up with loads of evidence that supports that Floyd didn't require an IV because he was not severely dehydrated. You countered with NO evidence. NOTHING!!!



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[ADP02]

Even after making the weight, you still have to maintain the weight before the weigh-in. Being that it was the day of the weigh-in, do you expect him to go chugging water right before it? You know better than that.

Floyd told you that in this fight and all his fights, Floyd makes 147 weight EASILY. Floyd came 1lb under at 146 at weigh in. Its too comical at how Floyd's fans are trying to make it like 147 was such a big hurdle even though their hero Floyd keeps on telling them otherwise.

Plus there is proof. Check his 30 day, 2 week, 1 week and weigh in day just before the IV. Floyd's weight is stable.






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[ADP02]

Floyd drinking while Floyd fans sinking trying to save Floyd for his BS.

[travestyny]

1)

He has always maintained that statement of easily making weight and has history and stats to prove that. In the Manny fight, its backed up by his 30 day weigh in, 2 week, 1 week and hours before his IV weigh in. Its all there but you have blinders on unfortunately.

2) If Floyd is having on going condition which is getting worse, it needs to be reported in that form, what do you not get about that? Yes you need to report it even if he was confident that even though it was getting worse he thought it would get better just a bit after that. Comical indeed!!! But thanks for the laugh!

3) Again, you are way off base here. This discussion is about an athlete who was not found to be significantly dehydrated. Nobody is talking about what you are talking about.

The NSAC physician checks for dehydration for several reasons. This includes, severe weight loss, which Floyd didn't have or the possibility of dehydration being a symptom of a more concerning issue such as an illness, for example.

Finally, you kinda shot yourself in the foot. Did Floyd appear to be in the same state as Oscar? Nope, not even close!

4) Floyd and his fans said otherwise for 5+ years. Floyd did this even though he had the experience of being tested for many fights now. Now why the change in attitude by Floyd and his fans? Its because its now Floyd that is under the microscope and any excuse has now become a good excuse?

Again, since Floyd has been doing this for years, does this mean that he had other IVs that we do not know about?

I can see if it affected him the day of giving blood but are you saying it takes 10 days for it to have affected him? Sounds dumb the more we talk about it .... but continue to burry Floyd! I'm enjoying it!

5) Floyd was lying. Even if you are trying to take a bullet for Floyd here, its insane. Why? Floyd was not even trying to hurry up and give his urine. Floyd has USADA wrapped around its finger. Floyd lets USADA wait hours and hours until he wants to give that urine NOT the other way around! Plus Floyd makes weight EASILY.

6) Floyd I know did go to the gym to stay sharp and fine tune his game plan during his final days and of course he will sweat but that will NOT get Floyd severely dehydrated!!! That would be dumb! If Floyd was to require an IV it was not when he was supposedly in the best shape he could be. It was when he was training strenuously and for prolonged periods to get into great shape.

There is enough information about what Floyd did the final days. Floyd even admits what I stated and was not doing what you think he was during the hours leading up to the IV. Since you keep on repeating that you are ignorant on this I have to assume you are being truthful or just closing your eyes. Watch the tapes. Everyone but you knows then!!!

7) The evidence goes counter to what happened. Not even USADA or anyone including Floyd said it was a severe case of dehydration.


Its not circumstantial evidence. Like I said, Floyd was examined so you have no leg to stand on. They concluded that there was no evidence of dehydration that would warrant an IV. You on the other hand do not even have any evidence to support your case. Medical records? Floyd's own testimony , the prefight form, and NSAC physician results, vital signs and weight being stable for 30 days is more than enough evidence.



No, no, no, no, no..... do not make USADA's double talk fool you again. They couldn't get Floyd's complete sample so that is why USADA had to wait something like 7 hours to get the complete sample. Why else was Floyd being followed by USADA? Comical! Plus the way USADA carefully words their counterpoints, makes them doubly su****ious. WHo can trust what they say. USADA did not defend when Manny's team incorrectly checked the checkbox even though they knew about Floyd not doing so as well and then defending Floyd even though he didn't fill the form correctly in about 3 places nor keep the NSAC in the loop until after the fight!!! Why?

You said, why did USADA reveal the IV and TUE? Its simple. Because Floyd actually used an IV and the results from the lab can show this. Maybe that is why it took so long to get a request from Floyd. They forgot about this possibility. Once they realized, they had no choice! Before they didn't have to because it was not in the contract.



I came up with loads of evidence that supports that Floyd didn't require an IV because he was not severely dehydrated. You countered with NO evidence. NOTHING!!!

This is very simple, really. If you proved he wasn't dehydrated, please go tell someone who can do something about it. You claim you proved something, but it's you who proved nothing. Again. It's not for me to prove anything. You shot YOURSELF in the foot by saying Floyd wasn't near De La Hoya's condition. De La Hoya was a dead man walking..BUT HE PASSED THE NSAC PHYSICAL.. lol. That shoots down over half of your claim because you base it on nothing but him being examined by the NSAC physician. And it's YOU that has no legs to stand on because he was granted a TUE. Obviously, like USADA stated, they witnessed his condition and saw that it warranted taking the IV. Should I believe the TUEC or you?

He has USADA wrapped around his finger, but they wouldn't go without reporting the IV and had to issue a TUE. Come on now. The way you tried to spin that was pathetic. Obviously if they were paid off they could have done much better covering those things up. Try again.

And you are still going on and on about the weight. I never said he had trouble making the weight, nor did he. Don't understand why you keep bringing up weight.