who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

The delusional mind of a fl0mo never ends.. Smh

TravestNY your HD ( hidden desire) for me is apparent, but unlike USADA. I'm not for sale, therefor I'm no ones biatch hehe!

But I have plenty of biatches. Some are Women, but mostly fl0mos who cry in here each time they get owned by yours truly.

Oh damn forgot, you're one of them! Hehehe..

Oh I like how you highlight your points in red so artistic so Girly girl of you hahaha..

Coming from a grown man who often types "hehehe." Wow.

Hidden desire? I agreed to not respond to you if you agreed to stop mentioning me in posts. So who has a desire for whom? I didn't write to you, did I? Didn't mention your name. I've been ignoring all of the idiotic things you've been writing. It was you that mentioned my name AGAIN. Then you turned b@tch made, AGAIN, you cowardly cheerleading chump.

[Spoon23]

Coming from a grown man who often types "hehehe." Wow.

Hidden desire? I agreed to not respond to you if you agreed to stop mentioning me in posts. So who has a desire for whom? I didn't write to you, did I? Didn't mention your name. I've been ignoring all of the idiotic things you've been writing. It was you that mentioned my name AGAIN. Then you turned b@tch made, AGAIN, you cowardly cheerleading chump.

You sound like a cry baby giving me a love letter lmao

Dude, it's simple don't write dumbass posts and you won't see me give a rhetorical comment. Work on your common sense. Then you won't ever see me bash you. Okay? Deal?

[travestyny]

You sound like a cry baby giving me a love letter lmao

Dude, it's simple don't write dumbass posts and you won't see me give a rhetorical comment. Work on your common sense. Then you won't ever see me bash you. Okay? Deal?

Wishful thinking on the part of a lonely, most likely gay man. Sorry, I'm here to talk boxing only.

Hey, all I asked is for you to be a man and stand up for what you believe in. I have no problem with you responding to my posts. Just stop being a b*tch when I respond back. You are not a man. You have no pride at all. Doesn't that bother you? I can show plenty of instances when you've blatantly ducked the merits of my posts after you realize you have no comeback.

But hey, I don't want to block you. I enjoy making you look and feel like a moron. So just keep responding. When I hit back and embarrass you, keep talking about squares. I don't mind. I've already murdered your pride, if you had any to begin with.

[Spoon23]

TravestNY, I don't want to block you either. Still hoping to see the day you turn green. It means that's the day you have grown to be a real boxing fan with real common sense.

I for one should give you red, but I never did, since I see your potential to be the best fl0mo in NSB. Keep up the good work! Someday, things will go your way, you just need to learn to stand when you fall. The more you fall the more you learn to think. Baby steps brotha'

Cheers!

[Dosumpthin]

Anyone know if Floyd vs Pac has been officially ruled a no contest yet?

[travestyny]

Anyone know if Floyd vs Pac has been officially ruled a no contest yet?

For some strange reason, Manny Pacquaio dropped his planned appeal. I wonder why? Apparently there is tons of obvious evidence of foul play.

Hmm. It boggles the mind.

[Cody8804]

For some strange reason, Manny Pacquaio dropped his planned appeal. I wonder why? Apparently there is tons of obvious evidence of foul play.

Hmm. It boggles the mind.

There's pacs 7th loss. Bradley will be 8. Pac is a journeyman boxer with all those losses.

[ADP02]

Not sure why you have a problem with this statement. The only purpose of it was to show that chronic dehydration is fairly common. I agree with you that it should be significant which is why I added the ISTUE guideline that stated it has to be such that without the IV the athlete's condition would cause a significant impairment to his health. I added that to my last post clearly.

Its just to point out that those numbers are over inflated. Red Flag on its own but I can explain in more detail if you wish. Anyhow, it does not matter. Continue reading my post.

1. It's not about not knowing how to rehydrate because you know that boxers have to maintain their weight. It's clear that they can't go all out rehydrating as with other athletes, which is why boxers chug water after a weigh-in. This is obvious.

Floyd, Ellerbe and so on keep on telling you that he makes weight easily. Further proof is that we have evidence that supports this. His 30 day, 2 week, 1 week, weigh in shows that his weight is relatively stable. Even his fight night weight. Floyd said with Ariza's help he was being monitored as far as how to eat and drink so he stayed relatively rehydrated properly.

Floyd was quite close to the limit weeks out. Should not be a problem for Floyd.

2. Once again, the ISTUE clearly states Acute or Chronic. I've asked you over and over what USADA defines as acute or chronic. From the ISTUE, it is evident that the TUE would be allowed if they find that the chronic dehydration would cause a significant impairment to the athlete's health if not treated. What did the doctors and the DCO notice. Can you tell me? You have been stuck on severe dehydration for awhile now, and now you finally realize that it is about acute or chronic with respect to whether it would significantly impair the athlete's health according to USADA.

3. I did state that his natural weight should be taken into account. When he first began losing natural weight, when did chronic dehydration take place? Being that he had to sustain an unnatural weight, it's clear to see how this can be chronic dehydration. My argument isn't even that it was. My argument is that you have no proof that it isn't. Why do we have to keep going over this when you know that you have no proof? I've found you plenty of symptoms of chronic dehydration. Some he had, most we DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

WRONG. I bring up chronic or acute because it is explicitly what the ISTUE mentions. What we really need to know is how USADA defines these terms and, more specifically, what they found out about Mayweather that made them believe his condition would cause a significant impairment to his health if he did not have the IV. That is the key, and YOU DON'T HAVE THE MEDICAL RECORDS! At this point I'm like a broken record.

You bring up the criteria but the criteria that you should be pointing to is for what Floyd applied to which was a retroactive TUE. In this case, they do not include chronic medical conditions.


"retroactive TUE
"•Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary*"


*A medical emergency or acute medical situation occurs when the athlete's medical condition justifies immediate Administration of a Prohibited Substance or Method and failure to treat immediately could significantly put the athlete’s health at risk. It is always preferable to address a TUE application prospectively rather than retrospectively."

PROBABLY not serious. Did USADA decide to proceed on the side of caution because it's only saline and vitamin c? Was the risk of kidney stones enough to grant the TUE? These are questions that USADA can answer. You have no insight.

USADA would be wrong if they followed what you just stated. It needs to be justifiable not an excuse.

WRONG. Where are you getting this information from? He said he rehydrated to 149. You somehow state that means he didn't need the IV. How can you be sure of that when by the time he was weighed he already had the IV?

Second, if you are talking about the video in England, he clearly states that he was dehydrated before the fight and Ariza taught him how to rehydrate like a professional so that he didn't go into the fight dehydrated. He is obviously not stating that dehydration wasn't an issue and never stated when it became an issue. He is saying that he was dehydrated and was taught how to rehydrate properly.

DCO got there at 1:45. Floyd was seen at MGM before the 3pm telecast of the weigh in. Kinda in a hurry to not give his urine.


USADA also said this:
"The USADA DCO was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV."

You need to stop telling me how it's assessed and begin telling me how USADA assesses whether the condition, whether mild, moderate, or severe, would cause a significant impairment to the athletes health. What led them to believe that?


You tell me to be careful of what I find on the internet, and then you take quotations from "Nutrition and the Female Athlete" for gospel? Neither of us needs to rely on the internet for this. This was the job of Mayweather's physicians. That is the point. We don't know what he weighed after every workout, we don't know if he had the luxury of properly rehydrating until the weigh in, we don't even know if drinking water would have helped him at all. For example, here is another article:

You May Be Dehydrated Even If You Drink Lots of Water: Dehydration Risks & Solutions
http://bodyecology.com/articles/dehydrated.php

It's very easy to pull up things from online and say it supports one side or the other. We don't need to do this. What we need is his medical records. Point blank, period.

First of all, I have in my posts pointed out not one study but several studies. So they are not my words. So from children to women athletes to men athletes, they all pointed out how to assess the person's dehydration. Weigh yourself before and after your exercise and so on as I already stated. I even pointed to what USADA said.

Here is what USADA said:
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid
•Do not restrict fluids before, during, or after the event
•Do not rely on thirst as an indicator"

Imagine, USADA brings up "for each pound lost" ==>> to just drink 3 cups of fluid!!!
How many cups did Floyd drink at the weigh in?



Yes, when I cycle for 200+km, I drink a lot and eat too and yes, when I check the scales, I see how much fluids I lost. BUT see where I went with this? The scales do not lie in assessing that even though I drank a lot I was still dehydrated. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days!!!!
Floyd was not severely dehydrated to the point that an IV was required. He only came in at 149 on fight night and said he was physically strong and used that as an advantage.

It is clear that the information you have is talking about individual instances of dehydration when it comes to acute. As for chronic, do you think that means losing several pounds over the course of two days....consistently for an entire 2 month training camp? Your information needs to be in respect to boxing and the nature of a boxer's training camp, not someone working out who experiences chronic dehydration after a few days. What happens if the chronic dehydration isn't dealt with after those few days?

While my stance still remains the same since my quotes are from studies, as I stated above, your point is irrelevant for retroactive TUEs.

So you are saying that he should have just drank a pint of water to come in at 147? He was on weight. Why mess with being on weight when there are other factors that can affect it. He weighed in, made weight, and focused on rehydrating afterward. What is the problem with that? As you said, he had Dr. Alex Ariza who would show him how to rehydrated like a professional after the weigh-in, so there wasn't any problem.

Yes, it would make sense to anyone to drink as much as you can. He had 1lb to spare. Who knows. He may have even urinated some of it out before the weigh in!!!

If you say that Floyd didn't have to (drink before weigh in) which we all agree that Floyd didn't need to but if Floyd was so dehydrated then with his crack staff, they should have taken care of this situation.

Floyd has come in at 146.5 and even 147 for quite a few fights. He could have done the same for this fight if he was, as Floyd said, "severely dehydrated". Right? Those in the doubt have said the same as I have.



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[ADP02]

"Floyd was allowed to get a doctor to write some BS so that USADA can say "here is what Floyd's doctor said. So it must be true. Retroactive TUE is approved"

well, sorry i missed the above....kindly bear with me as i have not really been in the loop the past days...

you mean there is now a doctor who admits he diagnosed and advised floyd to have an iv?

No I mean after the fact, just like with Lance Armstrong.

They both got a doctor to say that they agree that they needed the illegal substance/method.

[travestyny]

Its just to point out that those numbers are over inflated. Red Flag on its own but I can explain in more detail if you wish. Anyhow, it does not matter. Continue reading my post.




Floyd, Ellerbe and so on keep on telling you that he makes weight easily. Further proof is that we have evidence that supports this. His 30 day, 2 week, 1 week, weigh in shows that his weight is relatively stable. Even his fight night weight. Floyd said with Ariza's help he was being monitored as far as how to eat and drink so he stayed relatively rehydrated properly.

Floyd was quite close to the limit weeks out. Should not be a problem for Floyd.



You bring up the criteria but the criteria that you should be pointing to is for what Floyd applied to which was a retroactive TUE. In this case, they do not include chronic medical conditions.


"retroactive TUE
"•Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary*"


*A medical emergency or acute medical situation occurs when the athlete's medical condition justifies immediate Administration of a Prohibited Substance or Method and failure to treat immediately could significantly put the athlete’s health at risk. It is always preferable to address a TUE application prospectively rather than retrospectively."




USADA would be wrong if they followed what you just stated. It needs to be justifiable not an excuse.



DCO got there at 1:45. Floyd was seen at MGM before the 3pm telecast of the weigh in. Kinda in a hurry to not give his urine.


USADA also said this:
"The USADA DCO was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV."






First of all, I have in my posts pointed out not one study but several studies. So they are not my words. So from children to women athletes to men athletes, they all pointed out how to assess the person's dehydration. Weigh yourself before and after your exercise and so on as I already stated. I even pointed to what USADA said.

Here is what USADA said:
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid
•Do not restrict fluids before, during, or after the event
•Do not rely on thirst as an indicator"

Imagine, USADA brings up "for each pound lost" ==>> to just drink 3 cups of fluid!!!
How many cups did Floyd drink at the weigh in?



Yes, when I cycle for 200+km, I drink a lot and eat too and yes, when I check the scales, I see how much fluids I lost. BUT see where I went with this? The scales do not lie in assessing that even though I drank a lot I was still dehydrated. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days!!!!
Floyd was not severely dehydrated to the point that an IV was required. He only came in at 149 on fight night and said he was physically strong and used that as an advantage.



While my stance still remains the same since my quotes are from studies, as I stated above, your point is irrelevant for retroactive TUEs.



Yes, it would make sense to anyone to drink as much as you can. He had 1lb to spare. Who knows. He may have even urinated some of it out before the weigh in!!!

If you say that Floyd didn't have to (drink before weigh in) which we all agree that Floyd didn't need to but if Floyd was so dehydrated then with his crack staff, they should have taken care of this situation.

Floyd has come in at 146.5 and even 147 for quite a few fights. He could have done the same for this fight if he was, as Floyd said, "severely dehydrated". Right? Those in the doubt have said the same as I have.



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Everything you just said is irrelevant because you are interpreting the documentation incorrectly!!!

4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:
a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or


This clearly shows that the condition need not be acute. It can also be chronic, as was stated in the ISTUE requirements for giving a TUE.

Furthermore, I already explained that the information you found is about the onset of chronic dehydration. Nothing about that information mentions what follows in the case that the chronic dehydration is not immediately treated, in the case of a boxer in a training camp that lasts months.

Furthermore, Mayweather did not state that Ariza kept him hydrated throughout the entire training camp. He stated that he made sure he wasn't dehydrated going into the fight. Review the video again.