Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua-Charles Martin in Serious Talks, Says Hearn

[Scipio2009]

now your grabbing at straws with the mercandise figures.....it could sell 600k PPV it world title fight for Joshua and the sport is thriving over here unlike the states...so as I said before you have an agenda as to why you your trying to say Joshua shouldn't fight for a title....there's no other reason for it.....Joshua winning a belt makes a unification fight much more profitable for him and he brings a title to the table if there's Wembley stadium clash next summer.....the WBO,WBA,WBC AND IBF are all paper titles so what's your agenda....there money in the pot to give Martin his 2 million dollars and and over that amount to Joshua ....Joshua might even accept the same as Martin so again what's it got to do with you if they decide on the f Martin fight lol

Charles Martin is a blatant paper champion; heck, the fighter that was stripped of his title to give to Martin was a ****ing Brit!

As much as the sport is thriving in the UK, do you honestly see the interest in an obvious paper title fight(with the UK fans knowing who the real IBF champ is supposed to be) increasing the interest in Anthony Joshua by 50% (from the alleged high water mark)? gtfoh

All the titles aren't paper titles; Vitali Klitschko was the longtime WBC champion, who gave up his belt to go and save his country. The top 2 WBC challengers engaged in a faceoff, Stiverne won the vacant belt in decisive fashion, before losing to Wilder in decisive fashion, and Wilder already putting in three decisive title defense. Wladimir Klitschko had reigned as the WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring champion for years, just recently losing his titles to Tyson Fury over a lackluster decision.

There are clear and obvious links to Wilder and Fury's claims to the heavyweight championship.

What the **** can Charles Martin say? got the opportunity to get a title shot (after political shenanigans by Kathy Duva), only to see the top challenger, in the fight, blow his knee out without Martin having landed a single meaningful shot.

What's your agenda? Froch-Groves II, from what's been told, will go down as arguably the biggest money-making fight in British history, the two main fighters split basically $15m, yet you seem to believe that Joshua-Martin is so intriguing a matchup that it can draw similar numbers to the biggest fight in British history? lol

Froch-Groves II put 8m British pounds into the pot from PPV, yet you've continued to insist that Joshua-Martin is so big a fight that it would put near that amount into the pot; Froch-Groves II did 250k British pounds worth of merchandising, yet you've projected the same numbers for Joshua-Martin; international TV brought in 500k British pounds, yet you believe that Martin, with no TV backer, is going to bring more than Froch-Groves II to the table; Froch-Groves II at Wembley caught the public fever so intensely that they were able to do 6m British pounds at the gate(78 British pounds per ticket), yet you've predicted that Joshua-Martin is going to be so hot a ticket that it's own average would get to 100 British pounds. hilarious.

An accurate budget, in any discussion, makes things go easier. No person risking their money in going to do so with ****ty budget projections, regardless of how intently you seem to yearn for the fight.

And, if Anthony Joshua really did make 4m British pounds for the Whyte fight, I sincerely doubt that his management would set for going for a paper title for a fourth of that (about the amount that would likely be available for Joshua if an actual budget was used).

[techliam]

Charles Martin is a blatant paper champion; heck, the fighter that was stripped of his title to give to Martin was a ****ing Brit!

As much as the sport is thriving in the UK, do you honestly see the interest in an obvious paper title fight(with the UK fans knowing who the real IBF champ is supposed to be) increasing the interest in Anthony Joshua by 50% (from the alleged high water mark)? gtfoh

All the titles aren't paper titles; Vitali Klitschko was the longtime WBC champion, who gave up his belt to go and save his country. The top 2 WBC challengers engaged in a faceoff, Stiverne won the vacant belt in decisive fashion, before losing to Wilder in decisive fashion, and Wilder already putting in three decisive title defense. Wladimir Klitschko had reigned as the WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring champion for years, just recently losing his titles to Tyson Fury over a lackluster decision.

There are clear and obvious links to Wilder and Fury's claims to the heavyweight championship.

What the **** can Charles Martin say? got the opportunity to get a title shot (after political shenanigans by Kathy Duva), only to see the top challenger, in the fight, blow his knee out without Martin having landed a single meaningful shot.

What's your agenda? Froch-Groves II, from what's been told, will go down as arguably the biggest money-making fight in British history, the two main fighters split basically $15m, yet you seem to believe that Joshua-Martin is so intriguing a matchup that it can draw similar numbers to the biggest fight in British history? lol

Froch-Groves II put 8m British pounds into the pot from PPV, yet you've continued to insist that Joshua-Martin is so big a fight that it would put near that amount into the pot; Froch-Groves II did 250k British pounds worth of merchandising, yet you've projected the same numbers for Joshua-Martin; international TV brought in 500k British pounds, yet you believe that Martin, with no TV backer, is going to bring more than Froch-Groves II to the table; Froch-Groves II at Wembley caught the public fever so intensely that they were able to do 6m British pounds at the gate(78 British pounds per ticket), yet you've predicted that Joshua-Martin is going to be so hot a ticket that it's own average would get to 100 British pounds. hilarious.

An accurate budget, in any discussion, makes things go easier. No person risking their money in going to do so with ****ty budget projections, regardless of how intently you seem to yearn for the fight.

And, if Anthony Joshua really did make 4m British pounds for the Whyte fight, I sincerely doubt that his management would set for going for a paper title for a fourth of that (about the amount that would likely be available for Joshua if an actual budget was used).

Wilder has no clear links to the HW world championship. Vitali vacated his belt, and therefore any lineage you're trying to connect to him was severed. Nice try though. The current WBC 'claim' consists of Stiverne, one of the weakest HW titleholder's in history, picking up a vacant title against an undeserving top 20 HW (in an unnecessary rematch, no less), which he lost to Wilder who has fought even worse opposition.

Please tell me you aren't trying to compare that to Fury, who beat the consensus, lineal and unified world champion to become the Heavyweight champion of the world. Honestly, if Joshua beats Martin, he has roughly the same claim to legitimacy that Wilder has, i.e none.

Btw, Joshua in any world title fight will sell well. He's an olympic Gold medalist Heavyweight, which is extremely marketable. They'll be using Fury's name, with potential fights with the likes of Chisora, to market it. A unification fight with either Joshua's or Wilder's paper titles to Fury's legitimate championship is going to sell.

[Scipio2009]

Wilder has no clear links to the HW world championship. Vitali vacated his belt, and therefore any lineage you're trying to connect to him was severed. Nice try though. The current WBC 'claim' consists of Stiverne, one of the weakest HW titleholder's in history, picking up a vacant title against an undeserving top 20 HW (in an unnecessary rematch, no less), which he lost to Wilder who has fought even worse opposition.

Please tell me you aren't trying to compare that to Fury, who beat the consensus, lineal and unified world champion to become the Heavyweight champion of the world. Honestly, if Joshua beats Martin, he has roughly the same claim to legitimacy that Wilder has, i.e none.

Btw, Joshua in any world title fight will sell well. He's an olympic Gold medalist Heavyweight, which is extremely marketable. They'll be using Fury's name, with potential fights with the likes of Chisora, to market it. A unification fight with either Joshua's or Wilder's paper titles to Fury's legitimate championship is going to sell.

^^^ lol. I'm done.

You've obviously got it in your mind that Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin(a fighter who wasn't even in the consensus top-30 when he got his shot) is so big a fight that it justifies paying Martin ten times his prior highest purse ever.

I disagree. have fun waiting on that one.

[techliam]

^^^ lol. I'm done.

You've obviously got it in your mind that Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin(a fighter who wasn't even in the consensus top-30 when he got his shot) is so big a fight that it justifies paying Martin ten times his prior highest purse ever.

I disagree. have fun waiting on that one.

Since when have rankings ever directly and recognisably affected pay?

Martin is irrelevant in this case, his belt is relevant.

Joshua is an up-coming star. Him + world title is going to sell, whoever the opponent is for the strap. A world title is an investment that's going to pay back handsomely down the line. Whether its for Wilder's paper title, or Martin's. It's all going towards becoming the clear contender for the Heavyweight Champ Fury (or perhaps Klitschko, should he reclaim the title).

Interesting how you didn't criticise Stiverne-Arreola 2 as a title shot, and Wilder's somehow magic mandatory shot to that title, when he himself wasn't consensus top 10 at this point. I hope you clarify these suspected double standards. Thanks for a well-thought out and well argued response..

[Scipio2009]

Since when have rankings ever directly and recognisably affected pay?

Martin is irrelevant in this case, his belt is relevant.

Joshua is an up-coming star. Him + world title is going to sell, whoever the opponent is for the strap. A world title is an investment that's going to pay back handsomely down the line. Whether its for Wilder's paper title, or Martin's. It's all going towards becoming the clear contender for the Heavyweight Champ Fury (or perhaps Klitschko, should he reclaim the title).

Interesting how you didn't criticise Stiverne-Arreola 2 as a title shot, and Wilder's somehow magic mandatory shot to that title, when he himself wasn't consensus top 10 at this point. I hope you clarify these suspected double standards. Thanks for a well-thought out and well argued response..

There was nothing to criticize; Stiverne and Arreola were the WBC's top two fighters, their title became vacant, and the fight was booked. Why you want to act as if Stiverne and Arreola were bum fighters is beyond me. lol

[The plunger man]

Wilder has no clear links to the HW world championship. Vitali vacated his belt, and therefore any lineage you're trying to connect to him was severed. Nice try though. The current WBC 'claim' consists of Stiverne, one of the weakest HW titleholder's in history, picking up a vacant title against an undeserving top 20 HW (in an unnecessary rematch, no less), which he lost to Wilder who has fought even worse opposition.

Please tell me you aren't trying to compare that to Fury, who beat the consensus, lineal and unified world champion to become the Heavyweight champion of the world. Honestly, if Joshua beats Martin, he has roughly the same claim to legitimacy that Wilder has, i.e none.

Btw, Joshua in any world title fight will sell well. He's an olympic Gold medalist Heavyweight, which is extremely marketable. They'll be using Fury's name, with potential fights with the likes of Chisora, to market it. A unification fight with either Joshua's or Wilder's paper titles to Fury's legitimate championship is going to sell.

Thanks for that....it's been hard trying to explain to a dimwit that Joshua with a version of a world title will make for a bigger a fight down the line with a fury or wilder.....

^^^ lol. I'm done.

You've obviously got it in your mind that Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin(a fighter who wasn't even in the consensus top-30 when he got his shot) is so big a fight that it justifies paying Martin ten times his prior highest purse ever.

I disagree. have fun waiting on that one.

Now will you STFU and just take a chill pill

[Earl-Hickey]

I find it funny how Martin called joshua out and is now making ridiculous financial demands

You called him out, accept a fair amount and lets get it on, chump

[Grimmer]

Joshua's opponent is being announced live on Sky Sports at 6pm UK time this evening, in 3 and a half hours.

[The plunger man]

lol. How much money do you honestly believe Dillian Whyte was paid to fight Anthony Joshua?

The numbers, simply put, don't make sense; you can ignore that reality if you want, but wishful thinking won't change the fact that increasing the cost of the fight card by a million British pounds, for a fighter who basically tripped over himself to become champion is a ******ed business move, however you cut it. If the asking price comes down, we'll see.

Again, why would Joshua give up 1m British pounds when he could fight a solid guy for a fifth of that, still end up as the top challenger to three of the four heavyweight titles, and still have the option to take the fight to purse bid (no different than what Golden Boy did to n'Dam) and not give over any of his own UK money?

There's no "worry" about Joshua getting a title shot; he's basically locked in to get his first crack within his next 3-4 fights. The issue is that you seem to have such a hard-on over picking up a paper title, that you're seemingly advocating "to hell with doing proper business; get the fight".

You're thinking is almost as foolish as K2, after flopping in their PPV debut, asking for a 60/40 split on the Canelo fight, when their mandatory status only being good for a 25/75 split on a purse bid.

You look pretty f@ckin ****** now don't you.....fights signed knobjockey nice being wrong init

[Scipio2009]

You look pretty f@ckin ****** now don't you.....fights signed knobjockey nice being wrong init

I'll bet you any amount of money you want that Charles Martin didn't get $2m for the fight. I'd even go as far as say that he didn't get $1.5m (roughly a million British pounds) for the fight.

Charles Martin likely got $400k-$500k (maybe another $200k if Eddie Hearn is finally ready to show Anthony Joshua to the world) and kept it moving.

Never had any issue with the actual fight; Joshua seems to be the better fighter and, surprisingly, has likely faced the far better competition.

My issue was the fight being on, as you were creaming for, at a wildly ridiculous price, that made no sense.