Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Trainer: Prime Roy Jones, Toney Would School Golovkin!

[ИATAS]

It seems to me his die hard fans and the HBO hype train dont care as long he keeps winning...great for him and them but sucks for the fans

I'd rather he fight Jacobs(they are suppose to rid us of 2 wba belts supposedly) Lara, Canelo and BJS at 160

All of his fans want those fights too so these two comments seem to contradict each other. Everyone wanted a Canelo fight first and foremost, they went after Saunders who said no, after that everyone is down for a Jacobs fight and hell, even Lara is better then some of the options floating out there.

[dray435]

what total rubbish

any fighter from the early 80's would get killed by ggg and probably many other modern boxers just by the fact that they're training would be scientifically much better.

yeah hagler beat hearns and loads of other greats so he was the best then, but theres no way he beats ggg. he'd look like an amateur in that fight

mike tyson agrees. he basically flat out said he'd have no chance with any modern heavyweight

You sound like a damned fool. Get out of this forum you ignorant boxing novice. A prime marvin hagler would sodomize golovkin and make him his girl friend a prime jones would box circles around him.Hell most of haglers comp beats golovkin in my opinion roldan, hamsho, mugabi, fully obel all beat the hype job. They were all too tough relentless with respectable skills and recuperative powers and could tear your head off with one shot. GGG gets knocked comatose by mugabi, fully obel and roldan and gets rough housed by hamsho much less jones and hagler. GTFOH and off these forums idiot.

[SplitSecond]

Controversy because both tested positive for the same weight cutting PED.

Roy tested positive for an anabolic steroid, and was 6x over the T:e limit(which was probably them really high ones like 6:1).

[REYESdelBOXEO]

Pretty much everybody is faster than GGG. Doesn't seem to help.

GGG has only faced bums, that's why . CANELO has more advantages going into the fight then GGG does. GGG has a punchers chance only, but CANELO has great defense and chin so yeah GGG's chances are slim to none. Anybody from 154-168 , no one at 154-160 won't last 12 rounds with Gennady, remember that?! Well 155 is in between 154-160 so sign the contract GGG and take your loss/beating like a man, quit ducking.

[Dr Rumack]

Golovkin-Toney would be amazing.

[dray435]

GGG has only faced bums, that's why . CANELO has more advantages going into the fight then GGG does. GGG has a punchers chance only.

I agree canelo is going to be a handful for him and has all the tools to win this fight be he is going to need to develop a better solid jab. But if this fight is made GGG is going to be in for a rough night. Its a toss up fight in my opinion.

[REYESdelBOXEO]

I agree canelo is going to be a handful for him and has all the tools to win this fight be he is going to need to develop a better solid jab. But if this fight is made GGG is going to be in for a rough night. Its a toss up fight in my opinion.

Well spoken, you seem to see things pretty clearly. Yeah CANELO has all the tools plus the experience factor, by facing the best on the big stage and add in home field advantage. GGG's lack of experience at the top level will also hurt him in this one. GGG doesn't have the hand speed ,defense ,footwork and foot speed that Floyd, Lara , Trout or Cotto do, and Gennady can't fight going backwards he's a sitting duck, IMO tailor made for CANELO.

People like to downplay CANELO'S skills, in this fight their basing everything on GGG's power , yes he has power but not one punch ko power, and it's not been against great fighters. CANELO knows GGG will come out and try and jump on him to try and hurt or ko him, so CANELO will weather the storm, be Defensivly reaponsable and start breaking down Gennady to the body & head then taking him out when Gennady gets wreckless.

[bug0092]

No alts, just facts. CANELO has faster hands then Golovkin and Cotto who is faster then GGG couldn't land on CANELO. Cotto moved all night and Canelo still landed on him on the move and when they went toe to toe as well. CANELO has faster hands and faster reflexes from a defensive stand point and Counter punching stand point. CANELO IS FASTER THEN GGG PERIOD, CANELO IS more fluid , while Gennady is slow , methodical and simply robotic. You stated no facts , or broke nothing down , you just had a hate filled rant against me, not gonna cut it you lose, easy work.

Maybe somehow GGG looks a lot slower to you than he really is? Otherwise, how do you explain his great connect percentages, both offensively and defensively. For whatever they're worth, his punch stats are consistently some of the best in boxing. Like top 3 best. How exactly is such a slow, methodical, robot absolutely destroying all these guys? Not just knocking them out, but winning nearly every round? His opponents must not be seeing the same things you are.

What you see as methodical and robotic, I see as an efficient and calculating stalker. I don't think there's anything predictable about the way GGG throws his punches, he varies speed, power, and timing all the time. Probing and placing. Sometimes just pawing and sometimes exploding. Setting traps. The reason he can do this so well is because of his footwork. He is always in position and planted to throw any punch he chooses with or without power. Just because he doesn't dance around the ring like Floyd, people assume he's slow footed and unathletic, but I assure you this is not the case. If you just watch his feet, you'll always notice they are right under him and never far from the canvas. He shuffles them very quickly while maintaining a good wide base from which he can generate power. That's how come he can cut off the ring so effectively and apply relentless pressure. In service to his offensive philosophy, his defense is very economical - subtle head and shoulder movements, parrying punches with his gloves, etc... No dancing, no wild head and shoulder bobbing - basically the antithesis of what would be regarded as a slick boxer. No special effects as they say. Yet, somehow, opponents who are regarded as faster than GGG have a hard time connecting while Golovkin’s had great success countering.

Whether GGG’s skills and technique are successful against better opponents like Canelo remains to be seen. I just with Canelo and Golden Boy were as confident in his apparent speed advantage as you are.

[aboutfkntime]

Maybe somehow GGG looks a lot slower to you than he really is? Otherwise, how do you explain his great connect percentages, both offensively and defensively. For whatever they're worth, his punch stats are consistently some of the best in boxing. Like top 3 best. How exactly is such a slow, methodical, robot absolutely destroying all these guys? Not just knocking them out, but winning nearly every round? His opponents must not be seeing the same things you are.

What you see as methodical and robotic, I see as an efficient and calculating stalker. I don't think there's anything predictable about the way GGG throws his punches, he varies speed, power, and timing all the time. Probing and placing. Sometimes just pawing and sometimes exploding. Setting traps. The reason he can do this so well is because of his footwork. He is always in position and planted to throw any punch he chooses with or without power. Just because he doesn't dance around the ring like Floyd, people assume he's slow footed and unathletic, but I assure you this is not the case. If you just watch his feet, you'll always notice they are right under him and never far from the canvas. He shuffles them very quickly while maintaining a good wide base from which he can generate power. That's how come he can cut off the ring so effectively and apply relentless pressure. In service to his offensive philosophy, his defense is very economical - subtle head and shoulder movements, parrying punches with his gloves, etc... No dancing, no wild head and shoulder bobbing - basically the antithesis of what would be regarded as a slick boxer. No special effects as they say. Yet, somehow, opponents who are regarded as faster than GGG have a hard time connecting while Golovkin’s had great success countering.

Whether GGG’s skills and technique are successful against better opponents like Canelo remains to be seen. I just with Canelo and Golden Boy were as confident in his apparent speed advantage as you are.

All percentages/figures look much better when you are not facing very good opposition.

It is disappointing that Golovkin has left his fans to debate this.

Regarding actual great fighters, we know the answers to those questions.

No debate necessary.

You go on about Golovkin's footwork/timing/countering..... but we haven't even seen that against someone the caliber of, say..... Lara.

It's like the Ward thing..... imho, it is far more unlikely to assume that someone can perform against a much higher level opponent, despite the fact that they never have..... than it is to KNOW that someone has performed against top opponents, but assume they no longer can because of 18 months inactivity.

Perception I guess.

Inactivity can be an issue, no question..... but if it is correct to question whether Ward can still perform at the elite level, then I really have to wonder about Golovkin, because he never has.

[REYESdelBOXEO]

Maybe somehow GGG looks a lot slower to you than he really is? Otherwise, how do you explain his great connect percentages, both offensively and defensively. For whatever they're worth, his punch stats are consistently some of the best in boxing. Like top 3 best. How exactly is such a slow, methodical, robot absolutely destroying all these guys? Not just knocking them out, but winning nearly every round? His opponents must not be seeing the same things you are.

What you see as methodical and robotic, I see as an efficient and calculating stalker. I don't think there's anything predictable about the way GGG throws his punches, he varies speed, power, and timing all the time. Probing and placing. Sometimes just pawing and sometimes exploding. Setting traps. The reason he can do this so well is because of his footwork. He is always in position and planted to throw any punch he chooses with or without power. Just because he doesn't dance around the ring like Floyd, people assume he's slow footed and unathletic, but I assure you this is not the case. If you just watch his feet, you'll always notice they are right under him and never far from the canvas. He shuffles them very quickly while maintaining a good wide base from which he can generate power. That's how come he can cut off the ring so effectively and apply relentless pressure. In service to his offensive philosophy, his defense is very economical - subtle head and shoulder movements, parrying punches with his gloves, etc... No dancing, no wild head and shoulder bobbing - basically the antithesis of what would be regarded as a slick boxer. No special effects as they say. Yet, somehow, opponents who are regarded as faster than GGG have a hard time connecting while Golovkin’s had great success countering.

Whether GGG’s skills and technique are successful against better opponents like Canelo remains to be seen. I just with Canelo and Golden Boy were as confident in his apparent speed advantage as you are.

That's what I'm talking about ! Good post . Look I've never said GGG is a talentless bum, when I see his fights I see talent I see skills , but his inferior competition magnifies the good and even those lesser fighters exposed flaws. For example GGG vs. Dominick WADE 17-0-12kos , I see GGG destroying that rookie. CANELO is used to fighting great fighters with great physical attributes and superior skill sets then Gennady's comp. CANELO is IMO the more talented well rounded fighter with more big fight experience. The fight would of been made on May 7, 2016 if GGG agreed to 155 a weight he said he can easily make but he refused. GGG has this sense of entitlement like everyone should cater to his needs or no big fight. He's only hurting himself. Canelo is to thank when the fight gets made , not GGG.
Canelo is the A-Side, belt or no belt, GGG should agree to make a big fight already.

Here is a Tim Bradley quote after sitting ringside watching GGG fight he was asked about a CANELO vs. GGG fight:

"GGG is strong but he's slow, I didn't realize how slow he was, I got CANELO winning that fight if CANELO Vs GGG happens."

CANELO HAS TOO MANY ADVANTAGES OVER GGG