Waddell investment down to the last 82M? OUT of (521M)

[Eff Pandas]

You clearly do nobody brought up his race but you.

I clearly said I brought it up. Why so much debate over this. Who cares?

I don't care what cliche is out there and I clearly told you why I don't care much for Haymon and why if you thought Haymon was trying to start a NFL type league for the betterment of Boxing then he fooled you because PBC isn't that and I clearly explained why it's not. If all you got to respond is you must just hate Haymon because he's a black man trying to steal white mans money then you ****** as phuk. I'm black I got no reason to hate that man because he's black. lol And trust there are tons of people who don't like Haymon and we are not all white just boxing fans that can see how much of a crappy product PBC was and how it's created more of a divide and negativity in boxing then united boxing all while stealing millions from investors. Do you think the investors he robbed and are suing even know he's black? Or even care? They suing because he lost all their money! they would of sued if he was white too. It's a weak argument. Again this was a ponzi scheme that lost his investors millions and had nothing to do with making boxing better. Overpaid mismatches and goofy american gladator type ramps. Alot of gimmicks and fights nobody cared about or wanted.

Jesus f#cking christ man you need a kleenex?

Here I'll make you feel better, maybe your ponzi scheme talk isn't just crazy talk. Maybe it'll get proven in the future & Haymon will get locked up. Having said that they is no proof of it yet so it is crazy talk still. I'm really rooting for you to be able tell me you told me so in 2 or 3 years doe.

[bballchump11]

So tell me more about the viewership for Spences fight.

If Spence had fought on HBO or Showtime, less than 800K people probably would have saw him fight.

[Eff Pandas]

Boxing can' be a league, ever. Too many promoters.

LOL boxing fans are notoriously negative about change so not surprised you feel that way. But cmon man. There used to be 8 divisions. There used to be one champion. There used to be fights in excess of 25 rounds. You used to be able to hit people as they were getting up. Hell you used to hit people with your bare fist.

Promoters didn't always run boxing like they do today. The best used to fight the best before promoters got so strong & invested in "their" guy being the best. If it changed before to what it is now I don't see why it can't change back or to something new.

All I know is for sure boxing isn't ever gonna reach its potential it can reach with powerful promoters protecting their assets & alphabet groups over saturating champions. And the seemingly obvious road to take is the road virtually every other sport has taken.

[aldo5408]

If Spence had fought on HBO or Showtime, less than 800K people probably would have saw him fight.

Yea hopefully spence next fight does better numbers if it's on nbc. It makes sense to have Spence be built up

[bigdunny1]

LOL boxing fans are notoriously negative about change so not surprised you feel that way. But cmon man. There used to be 8 divisions. There used to be one champion. There used to be fights in excess of 25 rounds. You used to be able to hit people as they were getting up. Hell you used to hit people with your bare fist.

Promoters didn't always run boxing like they do today. The best used to fight the best before promoters got so strong & invested in "their" guy being the best. If it changed before to what it is now I don't see why it can't change back or to something new.

All I know is for sure boxing isn't ever gonna reach its potential it can reach with powerful promoters protecting their assets & alphabet groups over saturating champions. And the seemingly obvious road to take is the road virtually every other sport has taken.

Yet the man you defending as not being a typical promoter just created a league where he did exactly what you just said you hate. Instead of the best fighting the best in his stable it was largely the best in his stable fighting carefully crafted mismatches where his "main" guys were protected because they were his biggest assets. Getting multiple fighters in the same weight class as many paper belts saturating the champions in his stable without them actually fighting each other even though they were all under his roof and no politics, promoter, alphabet group there to prevent him from making better fights if he wanted. In a perfect world one league would be great for boxing. But we don't live in that world and Haymon was clearly not the man to do it. His agenda flies in the face of everything you mentioned. I could maybe forgive the whole robbing his investors story line if in the process he was making boxing better. But he wasn't. Actually he made it worse and more fractured in the process.

[bballchump11]

Yea hopefully spence next fight does better numbers if it's on nbc. It makes sense to have Spence be built up

Yeah Spence had the type of performance that'll make fans tune in to watch him again. GGG was getting crappy ratings at first, but he was dispatching guys in exciting fashion and kept a busy schedule.

[bballchump11]

Yet the man you defending as not being a typical promoter just created a league where he did exactly what you just said you hate. Instead of the best fighting the best in his stable it was the best in his stable fighting carefully crafted mismatches where his "main" guys were protected because they were his biggest assets. Getting multiple fighters in the same weight class as many paper belts saturating the champions in his stable without them actually fighting each other even though they were all under his roof and no politics, promoter, alphabet group there to prevent him from making better fights if he wanted. In a perfect world one league would be great for boxing. But we don't live in that world and Haymon was clearly not the man to do it. His agenda flies in the face of everything you mentioned. I could maybe forgive the whole robbing his investors story line if in the process he was making boxing better. But he wasn't. Actually he made it worse and more fractured in the process.

DeGale vs Dirrell
Garcia vs Peterson
Santa Cruz vs Mares
Glowaski vs Huck
Quillin vs Jacobs
Gary Russel Jr vs Gonzales
Broner vs Porter
Quillin vs Lee
Carl Frampton vs Quigg
Anthony Dirrell vs Badou Jack
Jamie McDonnell vs Kameda

ok man. I won't even name the fights that are still yet to happen for this year.

[Vasyl’s dad]

If Spence had fought on HBO or Showtime, less than 800K people probably would have saw him fight.

And still, you will not address the original point.

[Vasyl’s dad]

LOL boxing fans are notoriously negative about change so not surprised you feel that way. But cmon man. There used to be 8 divisions. There used to be one champion. There used to be fights in excess of 25 rounds. You used to be able to hit people as they were getting up. Hell you used to hit people with your bare fist.

Promoters didn't always run boxing like they do today. The best used to fight the best before promoters got so strong & invested in "their" guy being the best. If it changed before to what it is now I don't see why it can't change back or to something new.

All I know is for sure boxing isn't ever gonna reach its potential it can reach with powerful promoters protecting their assets & alphabet groups over saturating champions. And the seemingly obvious road to take is the road virtually every other sport has taken.

So explain how you kick out all of the money people and create a league.

[bballchump11]

And still, you will not address the original point.

What point is that?