Waddell investment down to the last 82M? OUT of (521M)

[bballchump11]

His farewell fight versus berto which should have been a big deal, he tied a lengendary record, had no interest. There were still tickets available and it did half of the maidana fight. It's still better than most but now that he fought pacman nobody really cares about either.

no one gave a **** about fraud's farewell fight it was a major flop!!!

Ok so that fight flopped for Floyd's standards. When's the last time Canelo had a $10 million gate? Has GGG ever sold over 300K ppvs? Do people care enough about Kovalev or Wilder for them to generate over $50 million for 1 fight?

Lets keep things in context.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm black you idiot.

Who gives a f#ck what race you are? I said the cliche **** people say about Haymon that mentioned about 4 different things people slant as negative things about Haymon, one being that he's black & you lost your **** lol.

Do you like *******s like Haymon too? Why not freak out about that?

You wanted PBC to be the NFL and unite boxing and I'm telling you it was not what you hoped it would be.

Brother I want ANYONE to create the NFL of boxing. I got no horse in this race. If it happened sooner it'd certainly be better obviously, but my bet is on it happening not that Haymon does it. I've been saying from the start this is a high risk operation & if it fails it'll surely teach the next guy who attempts such a feat things to not fall victim to or do better.

[Bullrider]

Don't know how you can even trust a guy who makes Salka fights and overpays his top fighters.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Why do fans still say silly **** like this? Look at the schedule for the rest of the year and tell me who is putting on the best fights? HBO is putting Crawford vs Postol on ppv and wouldn't even pay for Lomachenko vs Walters.

Now Lomachenko has to fight Martinez who is a AL HAYMON fighter btw.

Since you red k me, why dont you tell me about all of these new fans pbc is reaching with their declining viewership. Id love to hear it.

"But but, free tv doe!"

Who exactly is pbc reaching that never had access to boxing before?

[bigdunny1]

Who gives a f#ck what race you are? I said the cliche **** people say about Haymon that mentioned about 4 different things people slant as negative things about Haymon, one being that he's black & you lost your **** lol.

Do you like *******s like Haymon too? Why not freak out about that?



Brother I want ANYONE to create the NFL of boxing. I got no horse in this race. If it happened sooner it'd certainly be better obviously, but my bet is on it happening not that Haymon does it. I've been saying from the start this is a high risk operation & if it fails it'll surely teach the next guy who attempts such a feat things to not fall victim to or do better.

You clearly do nobody brought up his race but you. I don't care what cliche is out there and I clearly told you why I don't care much for Haymon and why if you thought Haymon was trying to start a NFL type league for the betterment of Boxing then he fooled you because PBC isn't that and I clearly explained why it's not. If all you got to respond is you must just hate Haymon because he's a black man trying to steal white mans money then you ****** as phuk. I'm black I got no reason to hate that man because he's black. lol And trust there are tons of people who don't like Haymon and we are not all white just boxing fans that can see how much of a crappy product PBC was and how it's created more of a divide and negativity in boxing then united boxing all while stealing millions from investors. Do you think the investors he robbed and are suing even know he's black? Or even care? They suing because he lost all their money! they would of sued if he was white too. It's a weak argument. Again this was a ponzi scheme that lost his investors millions and had nothing to do with making boxing better. Overpaid mismatches and goofy american gladator type ramps. Alot of gimmicks and fights nobody cared about or wanted.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Are you suggesting that isn't common practice in boxing? Crawford just made $1.2M on to fight a no hoper on HBO. GGG just made $2M to fight a no hoper last weekend on HBO. If you wanna talk guys making millions for mismatches I don't think either of us really got the time or desire to do so.



The problem is no one is consistently putting on quality product. This isn't just a PBC thing. HBO used to be the king of boxing. Now they got more -5000 or worse betting favorites being sold as main events I've seen on any one TV channel since I've been watching boxing. The whole marketplace of boxing is shoveling a lot of ****. Thats why there needs to be a NFL of boxing. Who does it I give no f#cks about. Arum, Haymon, Ryabinsky, Mark f#cking Cuban, I don't even care. I just know boxing is better for fans when that happens.

First tell me who these people are that are leading the charge that HBO is going to save boxing.

All we have heard from haymon groupies is how great pbc is for boxing and how its going to change the sport for the better. So what exactly have they changed?

[bballchump11]

Since you red k me, why dont you tell me about all of these new fans pbc is reaching with their declining viewership. Id love to hear it.

"But but, free tv doe!"

Who exactly is pbc reaching that never had access to boxing before?

The 4 million people that watched Thurman vs Guerrero

[Vasyl’s dad]

The 4 million people that watched Thurman vs Guerrero

So tell me more about the viewership for Spences fight.

[Eff Pandas]

First tell me who these people are that are leading the charge that HBO is going to save boxing.

All we have heard from haymon groupies is how great pbc is for boxing and how its going to change the sport for the better. So what exactly have they changed?

I think you are too consumed with some HBO fanboys vs PBC fanboys or Haymon fans vs anti-Haymon fans thing or some sort of dynamic like that. I don't care about HBO vs PBC. Or what PBC has or hasn't changed.

I'm just saying if HBO Boxing had put a serious attempt into becoming a NFL of boxing type entity they'd have had the best chance at one time & they'd probably have the best chance today too. The biggest problem in that speculative comment is I don't think HBO Boxing has any desire to do anything like that & are happy with what they are doing & have been doing & don't have any desire to contribute anything more to boxing then what they have contributed.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I think you are too consumed with some HBO fanboys vs PBC fanboys or Haymon fans vs anti-Haymon fans thing or some sort of dynamic like that. I don't care about HBO vs PBC. Or what PBC has or hasn't changed.

I'm just saying if HBO Boxing had put a serious attempt into becoming a NFL of boxing type entity they'd have had the best chance at one time & they'd probably have the best chance today too. The biggest problem in that speculative comment is I don't think HBO Boxing has any desire to do anything like that & are happy with what they are doing & have been doing & don't have any desire to contribute anything more to boxing then what they have contributed.

Boxing can' be a league, ever. Too many promoters.