Comments Thread For: Golden Boy Team Responds To Floyd Mayweather's Latest Tirade

[doom_specialist]

Same reason I laugh when people throw Arum under the bus...Arum may be shady but he's also done a whole lot more for fighters he no longer makes money from. Guys who saw their heights in the 70's, as well a current powerful names in the sport today including Floyd and Oscar.

Perception can be a tricky thing. I feel like a lot of the hate that certain people get is emotionally charged, and their personal faults are just excuses to openly express said hate.

Consider that convicted rapist, wife beating, drug using Iron Mike "I'll **** You Till You Love Me ******" Tyson is one of the most loved and celebrated fighters in the history of the sport, and that woman beating Floyd Mayweather is the scum of the Earth to some. They both have (had in Mike's case) scumbag behavior, both made more money than any other fighters in the sport during their time in the sport, and both were no strangers to giving scathing (or straight up ******ed) responses when interviewed. Perhaps if Mayweather stays away from the cameras/reporters for a while things will change, but the current forecast says that people will hate him for a long time lol.

Tyson was of course infinitely more exciting than Mayweather, but I find Adonis Stevenson to be pretty damned exciting and people hate him too for being a pimp in his early years. It's kinda of why I feel like people rate fighters with their hearts too much. A guy being universally hated for one thing, when there are other fighters who have done the same or worse things but are fan favorites is just weird to me. Gotta sit back and just enjoy the fighting IMO.

[Scipio2009]

Again. Canelo had all those pieces in place and yet still re signed with golden boy just a few months ago he's not going anywhere for years. He is perfectly happy with golden boy. And gomez is a child hood friend of oscar that's how he got that job he is not just a work associate he grew up with oscar before he was famous. no chance he leaves golden boy he is not a snake like schaefer.I think gomez and oscar are even godfathers to their kids but you think he's going to leave to start a company with canelo? HAHAHA

PBC is not a promotional company aren't they in court fighting 100 million lawsuits so why are comparing them to golden boy? And the rate they losing money with crappy TV ratings it is no sure thing they are even around next year. Without haymon using golden boy to promote his fighters you have seen a 50% drop or greater from what his guys pulled in for ratings on showtime to what this same fighters are doing now on showtime. For example wilder under golden boy did over 1mil last year but did only 500k just weeks ago. While Ortiz just did 614k viewers in Dec on HBO After dark but golden boy don't have any marketable fighters?

Exactly Oscar was the figure head that opened up all these doors for his company while Schaefer just leveraged that for deals and ran the day to day. Guys like that are dime a dozen. Which is why golden boy won promoter of the year twice without him by ESPN and every other major boxing media that gives out awards not just ring magazine!

If Richard Schaefer was just a "dime a dozen", why has Oscar De La Hoya seen his entire business collapse when folks, seeing the choice between Schaefer and Oscar, all decided to go with Schaefer? lol

Golden Boy Promotions, as things currently stand, is in about the same position as Main Events is in, though based out of California (One fighter that HBO cares to air, with that being about it.

Luis Ortiz drew 600k viewers, on a channel that's in about 30% more homes than Showtime, and you're trying to trumpet that as being a marketable fighter? ha

[Scipio2009]

I can name 6! 6 of 9 of the best and most memorable fights for HBO in 2015 were golden boy fights. Not my words that HBO telling you that. Look at their best of 2015 that they annually run right before new years. You sound dumb saying they had no memorable fights when 3 of the top 5 nominees for fight of the year were golden boy fights, fight of the year was golden boy and HBO the mecca of the best boxing said 6 of their 9 top fights were golden boy. Those are all facts not opinon.

Schaefer tried a power play to steal Oscar's company got haymon and other investors to try and buy him out...and failed. Now haymon is losing his investor's 100s of millions and is being sued for 100s of millions while Oscar is still number 1 promoter of the year!

funny how you still haven't named a single card yet.

[Scipio2009]

Perception can be a tricky thing. I feel like a lot of the hate that certain people get is emotionally charged, and their personal faults are just excuses to openly express said hate.

Consider that convicted rapist, wife beating, drug using Iron Mike "I'll **** You Till You Love Me ******" Tyson is one of the most loved and celebrated fighters in the history of the sport, and that woman beating Floyd Mayweather is the scum of the Earth to some. They both have (had in Mike's case) scumbag behavior, both made more money than any other fighters in the sport during their time in the sport, and both were no strangers to giving scathing (or straight up ******ed) responses when interviewed. Perhaps if Mayweather stays away from the cameras/reporters for a while things will change, but the current forecast says that people will hate him for a long time lol.

Tyson was of course infinitely more exciting than Mayweather, but I find Adonis Stevenson to be pretty damned exciting and people hate him too for being a pimp in his early years. It's kinda of why I feel like people rate fighters with their hearts too much. A guy being universally hated for one thing, when there are other fighters who have done the same or worse things but are fan favorites is just weird to me. Gotta sit back and just enjoy the fighting IMO.

The boxing world saw Tyson get knocked out by Buster Douglass, get beat on by Evander Holyfield, get washed out by Lennox Lewis, and blow through all of the money that he's ever earned. Tyson hit rock bottom, from where everyone not felt sorry enough to want to see him comeback.

No different than when the public, after vilifying the man for all of those years, starting to root for Muhammad Ali once he'd been embarrassed in the ring and the Parkinson's started setting in.

Floyd's never hit bottom, let alone lose really; the biggest L that he took was the domestic violence jail sentence, which is likely why that's all folks can hang their hat on.

[bigdunny1]

If Richard Schaefer was just a "dime a dozen", why has Oscar De La Hoya seen his entire business collapse when folks, seeing the choice between Schaefer and Oscar, all decided to go with Schaefer? lol

Golden Boy Promotions, as things currently stand, is in about the same position as Main Events is in, though based out of California (One fighter that HBO cares to air, with that being about it.

Luis Ortiz drew 600k viewers, on a channel that's in about 30% more homes than Showtime, and you're trying to trumpet that as being a marketable fighter? ha

Business collapse when they have been voted number 1 promoter of the year TWICE since they gave Schaefer the boot? LMAO
And who went anywhere with Schaefer last I saw he is unemployed. There were investors who were part of the plot to buy out Oscar spear headed by Schaefer. You think Oscar cleaning house of any **** is a bad thing for him and his company? What re tarded logic is that.

And was Main Events voted number 1 promoter, fight of the year and had 3 of the top fight of year nominees? And do they have a mega superstar like Canelo who is right now the biggest draw in the sport?

And you too dumb to get that I was making fun of Wilder! Who last year WITH golden boy pulled 1.4mil ratings ON SHOWTIME. Without Golden Boy promoting him now pulls 500k viewer ON SHOWTIME. Ortiz not on main HBO but Boxing After Dark did more ratings then Wilder. Golden Boy has numerous fighters that did over 1mil viewers on HBO NOT named Canelo. And Canelo is bigger now then he was with Schaefer who was nothing but a dime dozen replaceable piece. And Golden Boy is loaded with top young prospects like 80% of their fighters signed are all under age of 25. They will do what they do best which is build world champs and stars. Kind of like they did with Canelo. You know the kid who signed to Golden Boy because he was big fan of Oscar and was guided by Golden Boy POST schaefer to the biggest star in boxing. Mayweather Promotions is a 3rd rate promotion company that has no fighters worth a damn that even Haymon doesn't trust for PBC events meanwhile Oscar is polishing off his promoter of the year award.

[LOCOMEX89]

Please name 5 five fight cards that Golden Boy put on in 2015 that were memorable, for "the sport's top promotional company". gtfoh

Oscar screwed Oscar; try and spin it however you want, but that's reality. After being strung out on bender after bender, Oscar finally decided to sober up and try to be a promoter for the first time in a decade, Schaefer and Haymon didn't trust Oscar's business acumen, so they took their money and assets and went elsewhere with their business, leaving the recovering addict with whatever few folks still willing to risk their careers on the backs of an addict who relapsed on the eve of the company's biggest event.

Clearly you don't have HBO and if so that's okay I will give you a few:

1.Canelo vs Cotto top to bottom one of the best cards put together the entire year. Vargas vs Miura was the fight of the year in 2015
2. Ortiz vs Jennings solid double header with Ortiz making a big statement to the boxing world
3. Lucas vs Provo fight of the nominee both guys went toe to toe. Hopefully a rematch this year.
4. Lemieux vs N'Dam another nominee for fight of the year. Lemieux won his title on this night
5. Lemieux vs GGG, Postol vs Lucas both sold cards

So yet again it's about quality not quantity and it's about putting your fighters in against the best.

Oscar kicked Schaffer's snake ass to the curb. While Al Haymon robbed him of the talent that he had in his company. But it was Oscar's fault he fell asleep at the wheel.

Most fans like yourself thought Oscar and Golden Boy would fold but they didn't. He and Bernard Hopkins team thrived under the circumstances and had a hell of a 2015.

So you can hate all you want but the fact is Golden Boy is alive and well.

[doom_specialist]

The boxing world saw Tyson get knocked out by Buster Douglass, get beat on by Evander Holyfield, get washed out by Lennox Lewis, and blow through all of the money that he's ever earned. Tyson hit rock bottom, from where everyone not felt sorry enough to want to see him comeback.

No different than when the public, after vilifying the man for all of those years, starting to root for Muhammad Ali once he'd been embarrassed in the ring and the Parkinson's started setting in.

Floyd's never hit bottom, let alone lose really; the biggest L that he took was the domestic violence jail sentence, which is likely why that's all folks can hang their hat on.

An interesting observation indeed, but I feel like if it were as simple as hitting rock bottom, people would be rooting for OJ Simpson lol.

Do you think this is the reason people hate Stevenson as well, despite being an exciting fighter with a loss on his ledger? He's never hit rock bottom in his life as far as I know, but his past is well behind him, and people continue to use it as a base for their vitriolic sentiments.

[Scipio2009]

An interesting observation indeed, but I feel like if it were as simple as hitting rock bottom, people would be rooting for OJ Simpson lol.

Do you think this is the reason people hate Stevenson as well, despite being an exciting fighter with a loss on his ledger? He's never hit rock bottom in his life as far as I know, but his past is well behind him, and people continue to use it as a base for their vitriolic sentiments.

Difference is that OJ beat the criminal case; people still argue that with resentment.

People hate on Stevenson because 1)he's signed with Haymon and 2)HBO/Top Rank, for the most part, control the boxing press and Stevenson, in making the decision that he is, became public enemy #1 (well, at least behind Floyd). Nothing more, nothing less; if Stevenson had stayed with HBO and taken the Kovalev fight for the $1m offered, win or lose, he would've been championed by HBO.

[klev1]

I appreciate Floyd's boxing career, but his actions as a man leave a lot to be desired (Andre Ward is my favorite active fighter at the moment; top 5 favorite fighters ever are "The Professor" Azumah Nelson, "El Gran Campeon" Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather Jr, and Andre Ward, to provide some context).

My main position, though, is that Floyd's sin is a sin that excessively present in the sport of boxing, yet it seems like Floyd is the only that gets trashed more it. Makes no sense to me, especially when some of the folks who harp on Floyd's transgression are championing guys like Mike Tyson.

Beating women is a terrible thing; I'd just appreciate if such outrage didn't only come into the conversation when it involves Floyd beating a woman.

Now that I have the full context of your view, I see where you're coming from, and can somewhat agree. But as is with any sport, the bigger names are going to be more in the headlines or used as examples (positive or negative). That's just the way it is. Floyd benefits from this with massive paydays (positive), but he also shouldn't be victimized when he's used as an example for negative things that occur.

[Scipio2009]

Now that I have the full context of your view, I see where you're coming from, and can somewhat agree. But as is with any sport, the bigger names are going to be more in the headlines or used as examples (positive or negative). That's just the way it is. Floyd benefits from this with massive paydays (positive), but he also shouldn't be victimized when he's used as an example for negative things that occur.

Oscar, in his time, was about as big a star as Floyd Mayweather ended up being, yet all of his transgression, no matter how heinous, seemed to always end up being kept quiet.

makes no sense