Debunking the PBC fighters can't fight on HBO Theory Myth and GGG's HBO contract

[Chollo Vista]

I see. Well, I applaud your desire for fair and unbiased reporting - I think we'd all like to know every detail of the ins and outs of the Haymon - HBO beef, though I can promise you it wouldn't stop the arguments on NSB or other internet forums. Is it not enough to know there is a conflict of business interests and there are two sides to it? You're inclined to blame GGGs lack of top opposition on the man's team - Loeffler and K2 and then come up with speculative reasons why that would be the case (i.e he's being protected). Others view the same set of information in a different light. Get over it.

Problem is in your very first sentence you already confirm that you consider one version of events to be lies - it short you already have a predisposition to believe certain evidence and dismiss that which doesn't support your beliefs. Don't worry, we all do it - it's simply part of the way the human mind works, but it's a bit tough to pull off the 'fair and unbiased' stance when you announce your prejudice as an opening statement.

You make several valid points in this post.

As far as the bolded, I was using Hershman's statements himself and bumping that against what Rafael reported. So it was me saying Rafael's reports on Hershman didn't corroborate with what Hershman actually said in the article.

[The Big Dunn]

Why is Dan Rafael lying by saying Haymon's fighters were banned by Hershman when that's not the case. This is how rumors get started and continually trickled out to the masses.

According to Dan Rafael:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...e-dominic-wade

Anyone who follows boxing should already know that Haymon, the Premier Boxing Champions creator, and HBO had a serious fracture in their relationship a couple of years ago. Because of that, Haymon’s fighters are banned from the network, a decision made by former HBO Sports president Ken Hershman.

From Ken Hershman:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...next-big-fight

Con****uously missing from HBO's schedule are fighters managed by Haymon, not coincidentally fighters who have mainly eschewed competitive fights until a big payday was on the horizon. While the rumor mill says Haymon is essentially barred from doing business with the network, Hershman insists that isn't true. He'll make a deal with anyone—if it's the right deal.

"I don't think anything changes," he said. "Our strategy has been consistent. We want to invest in fighters, promoters and managers that see a long-term future with HBO and who we can comfortably put our money and our platform behind to build them into the stars they deserve to be. As long as those business objectives are met, we'll buy fights from anybody.

"In the conversations we have with promoters, there's no way to avoid crossing over with fighters who are managed in some capacity by Al. We don't tell people not to bring up those names. We have the conversations. And I'm sure at some point those conversations will result in Al's fighters being on HBO. I don't know in what capacity and I can't predict when, where or how. But we don't rule anything out and we don't ban anyone. It's not about that. We're just trying to articulate to everyone in the community what our objectives, goals and requirements are. Hopefully there are enough people who agree with them and see the benefits of being on the HBO platform."


This is just piss poor lazy journalism by Dan and he loses a lot of credibility.


Moving on.

Let's talk about GGG's contract with HBO. http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...exclusive-deal

"The deal calls for a minimum of four fights, although the Geale bout was the first one under the contract. The agreement also has provisions for overseas fights and potential pay-per-view fights, meaning there could be far more than four bouts. The bottom line is that all of Golovkin’s fights, wherever they may take place, will be on HBO or HBO PPV for the foreseeable future".

GGG met his 4 fight minimum obligation with HBO as of Willie Monroe Jr, so who's to say GGG can't fight Jacobs or Lara on another network on a fight by fight basis as stated by Tom Loeffler, himself?

Let's put an end to all of this PBC fighters can't fight on HBO and GGG can't fight outside HBO like he did against Adamu, GGG's HBO contractual obligations, etc excuses once and for all.

It's a bunch of BS excuses to not hold GGG and HBO accountable for attempting to make the best fights and it needs to stop.

Respectfully, the key phrase is "if the deal is right". This is business talk that the lawyers came up with. It means they are banned, just not outright stating it. It's just said in a way that HBO can always say "we didn't say no", which is factually correct.

[Chollo Vista]

Respectfully, the key phrase is "if the deal is right". This is business talk that the lawyers came up with. It means they are banned, just not outright stating it.

HBO specifically asked Duva to contact a Haymon fighter (i.e. Beterbiev) to do business for a fight with Kovalev on HBO.

[Dr Rumack]

Why would Haymon end it? Makes no sense. It's working. Why would he abandon his plan now?

All of HBO's top fighters . . . Haymon has most of the opponents locked up. He'll keep choking HBO slowly until HBO gives up years down the line.

Why would Haymon cave now?

Because he is burning through cash at a frightening rate.

[jqSide]

...I can promise you it wouldn't stop the arguments on NSB or other internet forums. Is it not enough to know there is a conflict of business interests and there are two sides to it? You're inclined to blame GGGs lack of top opposition on the man's team - Loeffler and K2 and then come up with speculative reasons why that would be the case (i.e he's being protected). Others view the same set of information in a different light. Get over it.

Problem is in your very first sentence you already confirm that you consider one version of events to be lies - it short you already have a predisposition to believe certain evidence and dismiss that which doesn't support your beliefs. Don't worry, we all do it - it's simply part of the way the human mind works, but it's a bit tough to pull off the 'fair and unbiased' stance when you announce your prejudice as an opening statement.

The guy is wasting his time. He simply is not prepared to admit that these network issues he's claiming to be non-existent should be addressed to Jacobs and Lara, and not to anybody else because they're the ones expressing interest in GGG by tweeting and hinting.

If Vista is thinking that he is addressing this to certain group of fans, then it's a double waste of time. No one groups' opinion on this matter is permanent. It changes. Sometimes they use it as an excuse, sometimes they don't and pretend it doesn't exist, depending on which of their favorite fighters they want to protect...Assuming he is right, now what? What's the next step? What are we supposed to do as fans? It's not clear what Vista's objectives are.

[Chollo Vista]

Assuming he is right, now what? What's the next step? What are we supposed to do as fans? It's not clear what Vista's objectives are.

I'm glad you asked that JQ.

I think we as fans are very powerful. Whether you know it or agree or not, but HBO, PBC, promoters, commentators, writers, etc all read these forums. They especially read the boxingscene threads to get a climate check on what the fans are wanting.

If the fans want PBC and HBO to do business of course the networks and promoters will start negotiating more because it's more $$$.

No one can deny that when there's no Cold Wars, boxing as a whole profits.

[Jc8804]

Why would GGG even think of leaving HBO? there is 0 reason to do that, hbo wouldnt be happy with that and probably won't take him back.

And no Haymon/PBC fighters have fought on hbo in forever, so why are you even trying with this nonsense?

Thread starter is reaching.

Hbo dont want al haymon. So legally hershman says what he says but he knows deep down they wanna piss on al. He makes weak fight after weak fight. sanny garcia is a perfect example. He never rematched herrera.
He gets a robbery over peterson and he fights a shot paulie and beats a shot Guerrero for a vacant belt in which both didnt deserve to fight for.

[sicko]

They can tell us anything publicly and behinds closed doors it could be that HBO wants nothing to do with Haymon they're basically in Competition with each other. Not only that but Haymon doesn't NEED HBO, they was the ones taking Jabs at him from Lampley to Max Kellerman all took jabs at a guy that I'm willing to bet they probably never met or held a conversation with

By the way Ken Hershman is out so what he said doesn't matter now. These are questions that needs to be asked to Peter Nelson now who is currently running things his way at HBO "Allegedly"

I don't give a *** about Network Issues, how about allow fights to go up for BID and if HBO want to assure that the fight including their fighter is on their Network, it is a simply solution to that...PUT THE MONEY UP!

[bigjavi973]

"I don't think anything changes," he said. "Our strategy has been consistent. We want to invest in fighters, promoters and managers that see a long-term future with HBO and who we can comfortably put our money and our platform behind to build them into the stars they deserve to be. As long as those business objectives are met, we'll buy fights from anybody.



so basically the lamest terms.... HBO ride or dont get any fights.


So we will not be seeing Al Haymon fighters because HBO is thinking about HBO instead of the benefit of the sport......

So why are people only mad at Haymon?

[Rath]

"I don't think anything changes," he said. "Our strategy has been consistent. We want to invest in fighters, promoters and managers that see a long-term future with HBO and who we can comfortably put our money and our platform behind to build them into the stars they deserve to be. As long as those business objectives are met, we'll buy fights from anybody.



so basically the lamest terms.... HBO ride or dont get any fights.


So we will not be seeing Al Haymon fighters because HBO is thinking about HBO instead of the benefit of the sport......

So why are people only mad at Haymon?

and haymon, what was he thinking?

oh yeah, what will benefits the sports, silly me