Comments Thread For: Garcia-Guerrero Preliminary Ratings Average - 2.259 Million

[bigdunny1]

His numbers are wrong. It averaged 2.518M which was more than NBA Countdown. Also, ratings are ranked by the Adults 18-49 rating, not average viewers. The fight did better than NBA Countdown and figure skating in Adults 18-49. The only sport's program that beat it was the NBA game.

Fat Dan is an idiot.

His numbers aren't wrong he's going by the overnight numbers which most industry and media members use. You are using the adjusted numbers that are released days later. Which ever ones you use the TV ratings were still bad and resulted in FOX finished dead last in overall viewership

[The Big Dunn]

You missed the Figeroia fight in Dec the card that was originally going to feature Thurman vs Porter but it too expensive for PBC so they moved it. That fight was the last of the 5 fights NBC aired prime time and by far the worst in a downward trend from their debut. Bottoming out with 1.8m viewers.

No Thurman vs Porter is not a PBC fight. Showtime is own the fight.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-face-march-12

"Although Thurman and Porter have had their recent fights on Premier Boxing Champions cards, which their adviser, Al Haymon, has bought time for on a variety of networks, including CBS, this fight will not carry PBC branding. Instead, it will be branded as "Showtime Championship Boxing on CBS." CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which will produce the telecast."

Showtime Sports vice president and general manager Stephen Espinoza said. "Fights of this caliber don't come along very often, and when they do, they deserve to be on the biggest stage possible. That's why all of us at Showtime and CBS are so excited to be able to deliver this pivotal matchup to a prime-time audience on America's highest-rated network."

It seems that you are upset that CBS is paying for this fight (not a time buy) and that CBS/Haymon decided to put the fight on CBS to maximize the number of viewers.

Does it really matter if they do not call it PBC? If calling it SHowtime Championship Boxing makes more people watch, isn't that a good thing?

[bigdunny1]

3.4? Impressive.

Should be noted that PBC doesn't pay production costs.

And LOL @ the PBC brand not being on the 3/12 fight.

God, I wonder how many times the same losers on this board are going to continue being wrong? Let's see if PBC gets picked up when it's all said and done.

Dude you keep debating this point even when in the press release to media clearly states it will Showtime brand not PBC. And even the head of Showtime sports has said Showtime will produce the fight. Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but this won't be PBC. Keep telling yourself the terrible ratings and hundreds of millions they lost last year have nothing to do with PBC not being able to afford to pay Thurman vs Porter. So even if the fight does well it doesn't benefit PBC instead it benefits Showtime and their brand.

"Although Thurman and Porter have had their recent fights on Premier Boxing Champions cards, which their adviser, Al Haymon, has bought time for on a variety of networks, including CBS, this fight will not carry PBC branding. Instead, it will be branded as "Showtime Championship Boxing on CBS." CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which will produce the telecast."
- ESPN and later confirmed by the head of Showtime

[The Big Dunn]

His numbers aren't wrong he's going by the overnight numbers which most industry and media members use. You are using the adjusted numbers that are released days later. Which ever ones you use the TV ratings were still bad and resulted in FOX finished dead last in overall viewership

So boxing finished 4th out of NCIS (#1 drama on TV), NBA Basketball (with LeBron playing, biggest name in sports in US) and figure skating (always big ratings) and you are criticizing PBC for this?

[IMDAZED]

Dude you keep debating this point even when in the press release to media clearly states it will Showtime brand not PBC. And even the head of Showtime sports has said Showtime will produce the fight. Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but this won't be PBC. Keep telling yourself the terrible ratings and hundreds of millions they lost last year have nothing to do with PBC not being able to afford to pay Thurman vs Porter. So even if the fight does well it doesn't benefit PBC instead it benefits Showtime and their brand.

"Although Thurman and Porter have had their recent fights on Premier Boxing Champions cards, which their adviser, Al Haymon, has bought time for on a variety of networks, including CBS, this fight will not carry PBC branding. Instead, it will be branded as "Showtime Championship Boxing on CBS." CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which will produce the telecast."
- ESPN and later confirmed by the head of Showtime

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I stopped reading your posts a while ago. Don't worry, I'll be reaching out to you in another 16 months...if you're still using this sn.

[bigdunny1]

So boxing finished 4th out of NCIS (#1 drama on TV), NBA Basketball (with LeBron playing, biggest name in sports in US) and figure skating (always big ratings) and you are criticizing PBC for this?

Is this the first PBC show to flop in ratings? NO. Every time the ratings come out and PBC gets killed you guys blame something. It's NFL, it's Golf, it's WNBA on ESPN2. Now ti's god damn figure skating? At what point does it become people just don't care or like PBC's product??? We are in year 2 and still they get crap ratings and money they are losing are now effecting them which is why the 2 biggest fights PBC tried to make and even announced they COULD NOT AFFORD AND HAD TO SEND THEM TO SHOWTIME. So why is a network going to pay for a product that finishes dead last against it's competitors and it's top fights they can't even afford to air? Thurman vs Porter depending how the fight does will be great for Showtime. Not PBC.

[Butch.McRae]

You missed the Figeroia fight in Dec the card that was originally going to feature Thurman vs Porter but it too expensive for PBC so they moved it. That fight was the last of the 5 fights NBC aired prime time and by far the worst in a downward trend from their debut. Bottoming out with 1.8m viewers.

No Thurman vs Porter is not a PBC fight. Showtime is own the fight.



"Although Thurman and Porter have had their recent fights on Premier Boxing Champions cards, which their adviser, Al Haymon, has bought time for on a variety of networks, including CBS, this fight will not carry PBC branding. Instead, it will be branded as "Showtime Championship Boxing on CBS." CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which will produce the telecast."

Showtime Sports vice president and general manager Stephen Espinoza said. "Fights of this caliber don't come along very often, and when they do, they deserve to be on the biggest stage possible. That's why all of us at Showtime and CBS are so excited to be able to deliver this pivotal matchup to a prime-time audience on America's highest-rated network."

(1) I don't see how anyone could think that Omar Figueroa doing 1.8 million in views is a bad thing. He isn't very well known for that TV spot at all. I'm a fan of the guy but I would never expect him to fight in that slot. I'd be curious to see what the purses were for that card. They were likely really low.

(2) If you go to the PBC website the 3/12 fight is clearly being marketed by PBC through all of their platforms; FB, Twitter, IG, etc. (unlike like any of the fights that were done on showtime). I'm not sure if that ESPN article is entirely accurate (wouldn't be the first time) This tells me that CBS/Showtime wanted to produce the fight themselves in an effort to co-brand the showbox series that has been declining in ratings since PBC started. The purses for this fight will likely be 1.5 - 2 million apiece. It doesn't matter who the put on the undercard at all. Not so sure this is signally some financial crisis at all. Especially, considering how much they claim Haymon has to invest in the project. If anything it looks like Espinoza is saying, "Throw me a bone," to Haymon on this one.

[The Big Dunn]

Is this the first PBC show to flop in ratings? NO. Every time the ratings come out and PBC gets killed you guys blame something. It's NFL, it's Golf, it's WNBA on ESPN2. Now ti's god damn figure skating? At what point does it become people just don't care or like PBC's product??? We are in year 2 and still they get crap ratings and money they are losing are now effecting them which is why the 2 biggest fights PBC tried to make and even announced they COULD NOT AFFORD AND HAD TO SEND THEM TO SHOWTIME. So why is a network going to pay for a product that finishes dead last against it's competitors and it's top fights they can't even afford to air? Thurman vs Porter depending how the fight does will be great for Showtime. Not PBC.

If I had asked you before sat night which of the 4 would get higher ratings, anyone with half a brain would've put boxing last.

You are acting as if boxing should have finished above these 3.

Look dude, 2.5 mil people watched the show overall and 3.39 mil watched danny/ghost at some point. I don't see how this is anything but positive, especially after Wilder had such a disappointing number.

You just come off as upset that no HBO card this year will have 2.5 mil people watch it.

[bigdunny1]

It seems that you are upset that CBS is paying for this fight (not a time buy) and that CBS/Haymon decided to put the fight on CBS to maximize the number of viewers.

Does it really matter if they do not call it PBC? If calling it SHowtime Championship Boxing makes more people watch, isn't that a good thing?

If that was the design then why did PBC announce this fight back in Fall would be on PBC? Just like they announced Jacobs vs Quilin would be on PBC. PBC and Haymon rarely talk to anyone yet they told the media both fights were planned to come on PBC. The reason they aren't has a little thing to do with the fact the ratings started in Fall of 2015 showed a bad trend and the fights were losing hundreds of millions. Since then you have seen a huge shift in Haymon fighters either put on ice the rest of the year to minimize the losses PBC is occurring. And a mass amount of fighters going to Showtime to pay for. That way if the fight flops Showtime occurs the loss but it also means if it's successful they get the credit. I could care less but you got idiots using this fight as an example of how PBC is building. But this ain't a PBC fight if tons of casuals watch it they will see nothing but Showtime.

[Butch.McRae]

(1) I don't see how anyone could think that Omar Figueroa doing 1.8 million in views is a bad thing. He isn't very well known for that TV spot at all. I'm a fan of the guy but I would never expect him to fight in that slot. I'd be curious to see what the purses were for that card. They were likely really low.

(2) If you go to the PBC website the 3/12 fight is clearly being marketed by PBC through all of their platforms; FB, Twitter, IG, etc. (unlike like any of the fights that were done on showtime). I'm not sure if that ESPN article is entirely accurate (wouldn't be the first time) This tells me that CBS/Showtime wanted to produce the fight themselves in an effort to co-brand the showbox series that has been declining in ratings since PBC started. The purses for this fight will likely be 1.5 - 2 million apiece. It doesn't matter who the put on the undercard at all. Not so sure this is signally some financial crisis at all. Especially, considering how much they claim Haymon has to invest in the project. If anything it looks like Espinoza is saying, "Throw me a bone," to Haymon on this one.

FYI...I would post the link, but I don't have 15 posts yet. But there are multiple posters and the PBC website that confirms that PBC is on this fight.