Worst Boxing Org/Sanctioning Body of 2015?

[aboutfkntime]

Of course you made no reference to litigation because we both know the history of litigation destroys your entire argument.

The IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. Your 16 pages of whining, crying and moaning doesn't change that. The IBF had a legal obligation to Glazkov and there was no basis for them to allow another voluntary defense.

I know you hate facts and rules, but judges love them and it would have been an open and shut case. So the IBF had no choice.

You go on and on about how the orgs don't matter, yet you're incredibly butthurt that Fury lost one of his alphabelts.

Nowhere have I said that I like or want 4 orgs. Blame the promoters, networks and fighters. They chose this system, not me.

I personally consider the entire sport to be a joke, including the orgs, but that doesn't change the fact that Fury left the IBF with no choice but to strip him. My personal opinion of Fury or the IBF does not change that.

Nowhere have I said I support, accept, or condone. I'm just a reasonable adult that lives on planet Earth and I know the IBF had no choice whether I like it or whether you like it. Their hands were tied. All of your fanboy rantings don't change that.

I am not supporting Fury and I am not supporting the IBF. I am supporting facts. The fact is that there was no way to keep the belt on Fury. It was a clear cut, cut and dry situation. No amount of moaning on your part will change that.

Why would I approve or disapprove of the IBF stripping Fury when Fury left them with absolutely no choice? I'm not happy he got stripped, but I'm also not happy that he refused to face his mandatory when he knew it was overdue, promised he would, and then hid his rematch clause and tricked the IBF.

Nobody is telling you to consider the IBF a first rate org or to consider their champ a first rate champ.

I know it's very confusing for you that an intelligent adult can manage to separate fact from personal preference. That doesn't make my position absurd, it makes my position logical.

I've looked at the rules. I've looked at the contracts. I've looked at the previous case law. And there is no doubt whatsoever that the IBF had no choice.

But I guess you can just write "doe" at the end of that and pretend the facts don't exist.

If a judge sentences a kid to 20 years in jail on a drug charge because there is a mandatory minimum sentence, I don't have to like it, but I'm not going to criticize the judge when he had no choice.

I can't just write "rules doe" and pretend the judge had an alternative.

You've been living in fantasy land for 16 pages. You must be quite the winner in real life.

And yet..... my bottom line, is unchanged.....

* I value common-sense..... and you do not.

* You value " rules doe ", even if they are silly..... and I do not.

* the IBF proved that they are a second-rate organisation with a second-rate champion, when they stripped the-man-who-beat-the-man Fury in favor of a guy who is not much more than an untested prospect.

[aboutfkntime]

STILL, have no idea who is the worst boxing org ??

Despite the Fury debate, not sure that the IBF are the worst..... maybe ?

I wasted my vote, should have gone " other ".

I want a do-over.

[j0zef]

WBA for the million belts.

IBF is 2nd though. And not because of Fury - I think following your own rules, even if they occasionally suck, is a good thing. I just hate their rankings. They're the worst of any organization. They don't have Povetkin anywhere in HW rankings. They somehow rate Barrera as #1 and Shabransky as #14. TJ and Wade having 1/2 spots for MW rankings are laughable. Their WW #1 contender is Kevin Bizier.

[LoadedWraps]

WBA for the million belts.

IBF is 2nd though. And not because of Fury - I think following your own rules, even if they occasionally suck, is a good thing. I just hate their rankings. They're the worst of any organization. They don't have Povetkin anywhere in HW rankings. They somehow rate Barrera as #1 and Shabransky as #14. TJ and Wade having 1/2 spots for MW rankings are laughable. Their WW #1 contender is Kevin Bizier.

Well said. Good post.

[original zero]

aboutfkntime -

I realize you're too stubborn to change your "bottom line," but it's full of falsehoods and inaccuracies.

If you valued common sense, you'd realize the IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. That is indisputable fact. If you're not fond of their rules, you can advocate for the rules to be changed, but they can't make up the rules as they go along. They had to enforce the rules that existed when Glazkov paid the fee for his mandatory.

You claim that I value "rules" even if they are silly, but I've made it clear that I want all of the orgs to go out of business. However, my disdain for their rules doesn't allow me to live in an alternate reality. I have to accept the fact that in this instance, the IBF's hands were tied. Could they change their rules so similar situations can be avoided in the future? Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that they had to strip Fury and had no choice.

Your opinion of the IBF doesn't change that. 2nd rate. 9th rate. 100th rate. View them however you wish. Like most top fighters, Fury didn't want the IBF title because the IBF won't bend the rules for the top fighters.

If you feel Glazkov was an untested prospect, you're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't change anything I've said. The IBF didn't strip Fury in favor of anyone else. They stripped Fury because he refused to make a mandatory defense that was overdue and there was nothing in the IBF bylaws that would allow them to keep the belt on Fury.

You can write "rules doe" over and over, but judges follow the rules and the IBF would have lost in court. If you had any common sense, you would realize that.

Which is why you continue to ignore the facts because you know they sink your battleship.




j0zef -

The IBF doesn't rank Povetkin because Povetkin is unavailable. He has a mandatory fight for the WBC title.

IBF champions can only fight top 15 ranked contenders. The IBF leaves #1 and #2 vacant unless a fighter has won a specific eliminator for that ranking. So there are often only 13 eligible contenders in the IBF.

If the IBF ranked fighters who do not wish to fight for the IBF, IBF champions would have nobody to fight. That is why Povetkin and others are not ranked: they don't want to fight for the IBF!

So the IBF ranks the fighters that want to fight for the IBF so the IBF champions actually have opponents to choose from.

This is what happens when you enforce the rules. The top fighters & top promoters take their fighters elsewhere. Boxing is corrupt for a reason. When you clean yourself up, nobody wants anything to do with you.

Fighters, promoters, networks, etc PREFER for things to be corrupt. So the IBF slowly fades away because nobody in the sport wants the rules to be followed. The sport is a joke because that's how everybody wants it.

[LoadedWraps]

NOBODY wants it that way but the sanctioning bodies. Most fighters want to be challenged and fight the best. Trainers validate themselves in the same way. So do S&C coaches. Promoters are profit driven and profit isn't being maximized with how it's fragmented right now anyway. Fans want the best fights.

We should all only recognize the PBC belts.

[original zero]

But why do the sanctioning bodies exist? Who are their customers?

The fighters and the promoters.

So actually, it's EVERYBODY that wants it that way . . . *except the fans.*

The sport has ****ed the fans in the ass every step of the way and always will because there is no premier league with a motive to worry about the longterm health of the sport.

Maybe PBC can be that. I hope it can be. Otherwise, things will never change.

We have the system we have because IN THE SHORT TERM, more world titles benefits the fighters and networks, even if it kills the sport in the longterm.

I am not pro sanctioning body, but I am pro logic and I am pro reality.

Which is why when some claim the orgs are meaningless, I always point out that THE ENTIRE SPORT REVOLVES AROUND THEM.

They *should* be meaningless, it'd be *lovely* if they were meaningless, but unfortunately, THEY MEAN EVERYTHING.

I hope that changes someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

But in this specific instance, it's unfair to criticize the IBF's "decision" because it really wasn't a decision at all. Their hands were tied. They had no choice.

Argue all you want that the rules should be changed in the future. Personally, I don't want them to change because I'd rather the IBF become completely irrelevant.

But just because I hate the orgs doesn't mean I'm going to unfairly criticize them. IN THIS INSTANCE, the IBF had no choice and 17 pages in, nobody has offered an alternative that would have held up in court.

[aboutfkntime]

WBA for the million belts.

IBF is 2nd though. And not because of Fury - I think following your own rules, even if they occasionally suck, is a good thing. I just hate their rankings. They're the worst of any organization. They don't have Povetkin anywhere in HW rankings. They somehow rate Barrera as #1 and Shabransky as #14. TJ and Wade having 1/2 spots for MW rankings are laughable. Their WW #1 contender is Kevin Bizier.

great point, consistency is irrelevant if your rankings are wakk

[aboutfkntime]

The IBF doesn't rank Povetkin because Povetkin is unavailable. He has a mandatory fight for the WBC title.

What are you talking about man, Povetkin is ACTIVE, so he is " available.


Their decision not to rank him - for WHATEVER reason - is ineptitude/arrogance.


#rulesdoe

[Trinidad_Fan]

The WBC...... the Sulaimans' boxing Mafia.