Worst Boxing Org/Sanctioning Body of 2015?

[original zero]

You're right, we shouldn't care about inconsistencies and agendas of a sanctioning body.

The IBF has been completely consistent and their only agenda is following the rules.

You just prefer that the rules not be enforced.

That's lovely, but if the rules hadn't been enforced, the IBF would have lost millions in a lawsuit.

The IBF has no choice but to strip Tyson Fury and a bunch of delusional Tyson Fury fans are crying about it because they don't understand the rules of boxing, or, are so used to the rules being broken, that they're in shock because the IBF follows the rules.

[aboutfkntime]

Fury and Klitschko are two of the top heavyweights on the planet, but they don't currently fight for the IBF. The IBF can't force a fighter to fight for them.

BoxingScene.com, Ring Magazine and TBRB all say that Martin *is* among the best heavyweights on the planet. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but the WBO had him ranked #1, so it makes no sense to obsess over the IBF having him ranked #4.

The IBF had no choice but to sanction Glazkov vs. Martin as a title fight. They were the two highest ranked IBF fighters that were willing to fight for the IBF.

You are free to consider the IBF a second rate, first rate or 80th rate organization if you want. Absolutely nothing you've said changes the fact that the IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury.

I support the IBF acting with honor and integrity. I accept that acting with honor and integrity means that the top fighters will choose to fight for the orgs that will break the rules for them.

Nowhere have I said that the best fighters fight for the IBF. Nowhere have I said that being IBF champion makes you the best fighter.

All I've said is that the IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury.

You have failed, over and over, to counter my position.

If you believe the IBF is a 2nd rate org, then why are you so upset about 2nd rate fighters fighting for their title? What is the real issue here? Problems at home? Lack of sex? Problems at work? A boss that treats you poorly? What is it that you're really so upset about?

That is absolute rubbish kid.

They could have allowed for a DESERVED rematch, and given Fury longer to fight Glazkov..... they gave CHARLES-FKN-MARTIN 12 months to honor his obligations, and yet they gave " the man " 12 minutes to honor his.

All because they have an inflated sense of their own self-worth, which is even more absurd..... because even you admit that nobody thinks the IBF have the best fighters in the world.

Well, nobody thinks that NOW anyway gogogo IBF. go shoot yourselves in the foot some more

And I don't give a fk if you think that extending Fury's mando period may have broken some " rules " or whatever..... common-sense > silly inconsistent rules that make no sense.

Once again..... you support the absurd, and I do not.

Happily supporting the absurd, just because it's in some " rulebook ", makes you sound like a spotty teenager on his first day at high-school.

" rules doe ".

[Tony Trick-Pony]

The IBF has been completely consistent and their only agenda is following the rules.

You just prefer that the rules not be enforced.

That's lovely, but if the rules hadn't been enforced, the IBF would have lost millions in a lawsuit.

The IBF has no choice but to strip Tyson Fury and a bunch of delusional Tyson Fury fans are crying about it because they don't understand the rules of boxing, or, are so used to the rules being broken, that they're in shock because the IBF follows the rules.

Haven't you given up this fight yet?

LOL.

The IBF, like every other organization, is irrelevant.

Charles Martin- best of all-time.

:blow:

[original zero]

No, they could not have allowed for a rematch. The mandatory was overdue. Glazkov would have sued and gotten a court injunction. It was a very black and white issue.

Wladimir Klitschko fought a terrible fight and clearly lost without any controversy whatsoever. You believe a longtime champion should be entitled to an immediate rematch when they lose their title, but that is not how the sport was designed to work. Klitschko lost his IBF title in a VOLUNTARY defense when the mandatory was overdue and a VOLUNTARY rematch does not take precedence over the overdue mandatory.

There was absolutely no way for the IBF to grant the rematch without ending up in court and losing badly.

Charles Martin has 12 months because Charles Martin just BEAT THE MANDATORY.

Mandatory due every 12 months. Beat the mandatory, you get 12 months. Win the title in a voluntary defense when the mandatory is overdue and you're going to have to fight the mandatory next.

This is very simple, very common sense stuff. The IBF is clear and consistent, which seems to be confusing you because you're so used to all of the rules being broken to cater to the stars.

You are free to believe the rules are silly, but they are NOT inconsistent. The IBF treats everybody the same, which is why the stars choose to fight for the orgs that will break the rules for them.

I do not think it is absurd to enforce a mandatory every 12 months instead of only enforcing it for certain guys and breaking the rules for the stars.

You are the one that supports the absurd. You don't even have a position here other than posting random false statements and silly personal attacks.

We get it, you're butt hurt. But you haven't been able to explain why. If the IBF means so little, why is it so upsetting to you that Fury isn't the champion of a 2nd rate organization?

[original zero]

Haven't you given up this fight yet?

LOL.

The IBF, like every other organization, is irrelevant.

Charles Martin- best of all-time.

:blow:

If the orgs are irrelevant, why does the entire sport revolve around them?

You may want to let the promoters, fighters and TV networks know that they're irrelevant because nearly every decision made in the sport is based around those supposed "irrelevant" belts . . .

[LoadedWraps]

If the orgs are irrelevant, why does the entire sport revolve around them?

You may want to let the promoters, fighters and TV networks know that they're irrelevant because nearly every decision made in the sport is based around those supposed "irrelevant" belts . . .

Which is why they both need to work together, and they need to show some consistency and be fair to the fighters.

[original zero]

Which is why they both need to work together, and they need to show some consistency and be fair to the fighters.

The IBF is the only org showing consistency. The rules are the rules and they are enforced no matter who you are.

Klitschko fought the IBF mandatory oh November 15, 2014, so the next IBF mandatory was due by November 15, 2015.

When Klitschko fought Fury on November 28, 2015, the IBF mandatory was overdue. To facilitate the titles remaining unified, IBF rules allowed the WBO mandatory to be made first even though the IBF mandatory was overdue, but only on the condition that both fighters agree that the winner would face the IBF mandatory next.

The fighters promised the IBF that the winner would face Glazkov next, but then secretly agreed to a rematch clause and hid it from the IBF.

Since Fury didn't think he was going to win anyway, why not accept the hefty sum for a rematch clause?

For Klitschko, he knew Fury would be stripped by the IBF for fighting a rematch, but a rematch for two belts was still better than any match for no belts.

Fury & Klitschko each did what was best for them and I'm not knocking them, but what was best for the sport was for the winner to face Glazkov as promised and to keep the titles in tact.

Nobody forced Fury to agree to a rematch. If he really thought he was going to win, he would have made far more money making an easy defense against Glazkov in the UK and then dictating terms to Klitschko and getting a huge percentage split in his favor.

[aboutfkntime]

The IBF is the only org showing consistency. The rules are the rules and they are enforced no matter who you are.

Klitschko fought the IBF mandatory oh November 15, 2014, so the next IBF mandatory was due by November 15, 2015.

When Klitschko fought Fury on November 28, 2015, the IBF mandatory was overdue. To facilitate the titles remaining unified, IBF rules allowed the WBO mandatory to be made first even though the IBF mandatory was overdue, but only on the condition that both fighters agree that the winner would face the IBF mandatory next.

The fighters promised the IBF that the winner would face Glazkov next, but then secretly agreed to a rematch clause and hid it from the IBF.

Since Fury didn't think he was going to win anyway, why not accept the hefty sum for a rematch clause?

For Klitschko, he knew Fury would be stripped by the IBF for fighting a rematch, but a rematch for two belts was still better than any match for no belts.

Fury & Klitschko each did what was best for them and I'm not knocking them, but what was best for the sport was for the winner to face Glazkov as promised and to keep the titles in tact.

Nobody forced Fury to agree to a rematch. If he really thought he was going to win, he would have made far more money making an easy defense against Glazkov in the UK and then dictating terms to Klitschko and getting a huge percentage split in his favor.

Back on page 1, you should have realised your position was indefensible.

Something like this..... " hold on, the IBF just installed a relatively unknown prospect as champion, so I simply cannot win this argument "

[LoadedWraps]

Back on page 1, you should have realised your position was indefensible.

Something like this..... " hold on, the IBF just installed a relatively unknown prospect as champion, so I simply cannot win this argument "

[original zero]

Nobody in this thread has been able to counter the following:

"THE IBF HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO STRIP TYSON FURY."

Lots of whining. Lots of moaning. Lots of trolling. But nobody has explained what alternative there was for the IBF.

Because there was no alternative.

All About Time has done is post falsehood after falsehood while Loaded Wraps waves the pom poms.

Meanwhile, neither one of them has told us what option the IBF had.

About Time's latest post manages to cram numerous false claims into one sentence. Very impressive.

First, he claims that the IBF installed Martin as champion. 100% untrue. He was not awarded the title. Glazkov was ranked #1. #2 was vacant. Klitschko was #3 and could have fought Glazkov for the vacant title, but turned it down. Martin was #4 and accepted the fight.

He won the title fair and square by TKO against the #1 contender. He is the rightful champion. He was not installed as anything or awarded anything. If About Time believes the IBF title is a 2nd rate title and that Martin is a 2nd rate champion, that's fine. Nobody is arguing otherwise. However, that does not give About Time the right to post blatant lies.

Second, he claims Martin was an unknown prospect. 100% untrue. Perhaps unknown to About Time since he doesn't closely follow boxing, but Martin had been North American champion for years and had earned the #1 ranking and mandatory position in the WBO.

He'd fought recently on a nationally televised NBC sports PBC broadcast as well. Was he the biggest name in the division? Of course not. Was he unknown? Not to fans that closely follow the sport.

So the problem here isn't what the IBF did (they had no choice). The problem is that About Time doesn't know anything about boxing.