Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[kafkod]

lol

With the WBA having already announced that they aren't going to be moving on anything until the Golovkin-Alvarez-WBC situation is squared away, it's rich to see you try and find a way to remove Lara from his Golovkin hunt.

Golovkin fights Johnson, gets handed the WBC belt, fights JS Heiland, prays to God that the Jacobs fight doesn't get mandated (Haymon/Showtime think that the fight is worth more than HBO thinks the fight is worth, compelling him to give up the WBA belt), and you'll likely still be on here, trumpeting the greatness of the guy.

Golovkin won't give up his WBA belt if he is mandated to fight Jacobs. That's nonsensical.

If you talking about Haymon forcing a purse bid, that wouldn't end with GGG relinquishing his title. If K2 lost the bid to Haymon, GGG would fight Jacobs on showtime. His HBO contract wouldn't stop him from doing that, as Jacobs would be his mandatory, not the other way round, as was the case with Kovalev and Stevenson.

[Scipio2009]

Golovkin won't give up his WBA belt if he is mandated to fight Jacobs. That's nonsensical.

If you talking about Haymon forcing a purse bid, that wouldn't end with GGG relinquishing his title. If K2 lost the bid to Haymon, GGG would fight Jacobs on showtime. His HBO contract wouldn't stop him from doing that, as Jacobs would be his mandatory, not the other way round, as was the case with Kovalev and Stevenson.

I sincerely doubt that HBO would let the fighter that they've spent the prior three and a half years hyping up (without putting him in with anyone dangerous), journey over to Showtime and risk all of their work against Daniel Jacobs, a fighter with fire in both hands and a significantly bigger scalp on his resume than anyone Golovkin has ever stepped into the ring with.

Team Kovalev forced the purse bid, realized that Team Stevenson wasn't afraid of Kovalev and wanted the fight, saw that Team Stevenson trumped them on the money, and ran off.

If you honestly believe that K2 is going to let DBE dictate the entire fight buildup, for a bout that Showtime is likely to be willing to put up the money for PPV and that Barclays Center would gladly roll out the red carpet to host, I'm not sure how closely you've watched them work as promoters.

[kafkod]

Chad Dawson, after spending the prior 6 years cutting down to fight at 175, wrote a check he couldn't cash (in trying to talk himself into a big fight, he slipped and committed to something, which he found out, he couldn't physically deliver on).

Being careful about the layoff, Ward's camp set the return weight at 172lbs (to see how his body would react from the layoff), but the fact that he was already basically at 172 with three weeks to go made those concerns unwarranted; Ward immediately set his targets on the Golovkin fight at 168 (but lil G and his camp turned chicken****).

When the Golovkin fight ceased being an option, Ward's camp moved on to the next biggest fight that they could lock in, which ended up being Kovalev at 175. not too complicated.

Ward cut Paul Smith's eye, broke Paul Smith's nose, was landing a will to the head and the body with both hands, Smith had already given up on the fight, and you expected Smith to last another 3 and a half rounds? lol.

Golovkin hurt Murray to the body early, Murray recovered from that, and was there the rest of the way, with the fight being stopped with Murray still on his feet (likely making it to through the twelfth in actuality).

Ward, at 160 and in his seventh fight as a pro, was dropped by Darnell Boone (by a shot that he didn't see). 21 fights after that and 11 years later, can you even point to a single other time when Ward showed any real wobble? I doubt it.

should work on your comparisons.

Losing 5lbs in 3 weeks could be a piece of cake, or it could leave a boxer too drained to fight effectively. You have no way of knowing which of those possibilities applied to Ward.

Neither do I, you might say, but the circumstancial evidence - Ward moving up to 175 immediately after fighting Smith, tells it's own story.

Boxers move up in weight for different reasons. A fighter from a lower division refusing to move up for them is NOT one of those reasons. Especially if the fighter who decides to stay put is no cash cow, by any means.

If Ward could still make 168 he could have fought the likes of Smith, Murdoch, Brand, etc, AT 168, instead of trying to drag them up to 175 with him. Then he could have moved on to, eg, James DeGale, who publicly stated that he wanted to fight Andre, and actually brings more to the table in terms of money and fans than Kovalev.

The offer Ward sent to Loeffler was a PR stunt, and nothing more.

And he still has not produced the evidence he claims to have to prove that he was telling the truth about when he sent it, despite Abel Sanchez calling him a liar and Loeffler backing up Abel's account of what happened.

[kafkod]

I sincerely doubt that HBO would let the fighter that they've spent the prior three and a half years hyping up (without putting him in with anyone dangerous), journey over to Showtime and risk all of their work against Daniel Jacobs, a fighter with fire in both hands and a significantly bigger scalp on his resume than anyone Golovkin has ever stepped into the ring with.

Team Kovalev forced the purse bid, realized that Team Stevenson wasn't afraid of Kovalev and wanted the fight, saw that Team Stevenson trumped them on the money, and ran off.

If you honestly believe that K2 is going to let DBE dictate the entire fight buildup, for a bout that Showtime is likely to be willing to put up the money for PPV and that Barclays Center would gladly roll out the red carpet to host, I'm not sure how closely you've watched them work as promoters.

Re the bolded. If you really believe what you wrote there, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this, because there is no point carrying on talking about it.

Edit: If Kovalev doesn't want to fight Stevenson, why did Duva and Yvon Michel thrash out a deal together which Michel said met all Stevenson's requirements, and the only possible stumbling block would be Haymon vetoing the fight again?

[Scipio2009]

Losing 5lbs in 3 weeks could be a piece of cake, or it could leave a boxer too drained to fight effectively. You have no way of knowing which of those possibilities applied to Ward.

Neither do I, you might say, but the circumstancial evidence - Ward moving up to 175 immediately after fighting Smith, tells it's own story.

Boxers move up in weight for different reasons. A fighter from a lower division refusing to move up for them is NOT one of those reasons. Especially if the fighter who decides to stay put is no cash cow, by any means.

If Ward could still make 168 he could have fought the likes of Smith, Murdoch, Brand, etc, AT 168, instead of trying to drag them up to 175 with him. Then he could have moved on to, eg, James DeGale, who publicly stated that he wanted to fight Andre, and actually brings more to the table in terms of money and fans than Kovalev.

The offer Ward sent to Loeffler was a PR stunt, and nothing more.

And he still has not produced the evidence he claims to have to prove that he was telling the truth about when he sent it, despite Abel Sanchez calling him a liar and Loeffler backing up Abel's account of what happened.

HBO wouldn't have backed him for fights with Brand or Murdoch, and you know that (Roc Nation laying the heavy on HBO, with their Cotto trump piece, opened up some options for one fight, but that's about it). Ward-Golovkin and Kovalev-Ward are both showdowns that get Ward on HBO (opening up some option fights on HBO for Ward as those bouts get built up).

James Degale, having Haymon in his corner(which opened up money fights with Bute and Chavez Jr), while also having the backing of Sky Sports in the UK (complicating the money question), was never a practical option, and you knew that too.

You should be smarter than that.

[crex.af]

Sorry, but it's moot not mute; you mute the volume on a TV.

As far as everything else, by all means, you're welcome to your own opinion.

Touché good sir.

[aboutfkntime]

I've heard a rumor that since BJS is unavailable, Tom Loeffler offered Ward a fight at 168 and in Oakland!!!

Do you know what was Ward response to GGG/Tom?

"I want 90/10 split - the same as Canelo. CAUSE WE AIN'T GOT NO MONEY FOR YOU. NOT GETTING RICH OFF US...

Nah, that rumor will be bull****.....

Loeffler turns into a stuttering ****** whenever Wards name is mentioned.

They turned down 50/50 already.

[aboutfkntime]

HBO wouldn't have backed him for fights with Brand or Murdoch, and you know that (Roc Nation laying the heavy on HBO, with their Cotto trump piece, opened up some options for one fight, but that's about it). Ward-Golovkin and Kovalev-Ward are both showdowns that get Ward on HBO (opening up some option fights on HBO for Ward as those bouts get built up).

James Degale, having Haymon in his corner(which opened up money fights with Bute and Chavez Jr), while also having the backing of Sky Sports in the UK (complicating the money question), was never a practical option, and you knew that too.

You should be smarter than that.

He's not.

He is a dishonest Golovkin fluffer who talks more **** than Bob Arum.

Check out my sig, and his comments about Ward.

[jqSide]

Time to make the Lara fight. We'll soon see whether he and Decubas were just bluffing. I hope not.

[Sweet_Science2]

Yeah, it's time Lara moves up to 160 and beats Jacobs in his own stable and then call out GGG as his WBA mandatory...

Until then go away Lara....fighting stiffs on Tuesday nights for a million is not bad work if you can get it.. Don't bother with the Charlo brothers or Jrock in your own division and under the same Haymon banner

So lil g wants to fight a dude name D wade who fights with Haymon and doesn't have one big career win. But not even interested in seeing what Lara is talking about. Lara is 10 times better than anybody on lil g's resume. Why don't lil g fans want to see this fight? Isn't Lil g the favorite in all his fights up to this point?

So if he was the favorite against: Adama, Leimux, Stevenson, Rasado etc... and knocked them all out. Why get mad because Lara wants to fight and you think he will be the favorite?

Sounds like yaw not confident he wins that fight. Don't give me that Haymon excuse D Wade is a Haymon who is on the verge of fighting lil g so what is the excuse? Lara said he will move up to 160. Lil g had ZERO problem having bum ass rasado come to 160 to fight him. FACTS!

Another body in the bag for me