Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[hitking]

Personally, I would enjoy seeing GGG cut the ring on Lara and knock him TFO.

I would also be very interested to see the reaction from the GGG hate squad at this forum.

Like, would they give GGG some respect, at last, or would Lara be magically transformed from a boogie man to a tomato can overnight?

But I can also see many reasons why K2 won't be opting for Lara next, now that BJS is out of the frame.

I think Lara would be the ultimate test as to GGG's ability to cut off the ring. Because Lara is one of very few fighters that is capable of boxing and moving for 12rds. Its also his natural style. Unlike most of the guys GGG has fought who aren't natural movers. They've resorted to moving because they couldn't take his power.

As for how GGG's "haters" would respond to a GGG win. I'm sure you consider me a GGG hater, so I'll speak for myself. It would basically come to to how GGG wins. Lara is a naturally smaller guy with GGG no punching power. Which means he'd have to fight a perfect fight to win. So the odds are very slim that he'd win. Now, in my eyes Lara is an undefeated fighter. And even if you don't consider him "undefeated", he's never been convincingly beaten. So if GGG came out and completely wrecked him. Of course, that would be impressive. But if he came out and fought a drawish type fight where he was bailed out by a couple KDs. Or, won a controversial decision. Of course, I'd be critical of his performance.

[Cinci Champ]

You confusing Lou Dibella and Kathy Duva?

lol yes technically i know exactly who both are just had a brain slip

[turnedup]

lol yes technically i know exactly who both are just had a brain slip

Hah it happens bro, no worries. I kinda figured what you meant tho.

[aboutfkntime]

BJS holds the WBO middleweight title. Lara holds the IBO super welter belt. So if Lara fights at MW there is no belt to gain for GGG. Im assuming that is/was the logic.

Yea I was just kidding really.

You're right, Saunders is obviously a more attractive option.

The other guy is also, coincidentally, a stylistic nightmare for fighters who rely on power/leverage..... not a good option if you want to look good.

[Scipio2009]

When I said that GGG/Lemieux was the highest international revenue of any K2 promotion I was writing from memory of reports I read about the show at ESPN and other sites just after the event.

You mentioning Wlad/Jennings made me think, so I had another look at some of those reports I read back then.

From ESPN:

"A lot of people focus on the American market, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on BoxNation, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000."

From BoxingJunky:

“I had a tendency to think it was going to do better, with the reaction it was getting nationally and internationally, and also for mainstream viewers, I thought it had a chance to do over 200,000 buys,” said Loeffler. “But that being said, with the ticket sales, with everything else being generated, the sponsorship revenue, which was a much higher number than we ever did before, we had the highest international television revenue we’ve ever had, some of the highest ratings for a show in many of the countries it was televised in."

Thinking about it now, Wlad/Jennings must have done better than GGG/Lemieux, so in that second quote, Loeffler must have been talking about Golovkin's fights only, not every K2 promotion.

I wasn't trying to bull**** you, just misremembered what I read back then.

links would be helpful to the conversation, if we're being honest, because the entire story, from both sources, rests on the words of Tom Loeffler, a man who has already shown himself to be less than forthcoming with the truth.

What was this "biggest channel in Russia" that wanted the Golovkin-Lemieux fight, since there's an idea of the type of business that a guy like Alexander Povetkin does on Russian TV? What is the actual scale difference between SAT.1 and RTL, the network that has helped bankroll Klitschko's career in Germany?

Beyond questions like the one's mentioned, what type of money did those rights deals actually bring to the table? Because I don't see BoxNation shelling out a ton of money to pick up a fight that likely aired 3am, with no real importance to the British audience, let alone the "biggest channel in Russia" shelling out top dollar to air a 6am fight with no real bearing to Russian fans.

Because, for all the talk from Loeffler about all the numbers being bigger than they were for other Golovkin fights, K2 paid out ~$4m to the fighters to cover the show, an amount that was also significantly more than what K2 has likely ever committed to a Golovkin card.

[Scipio2009]

I honestly can't understand how anybody could watch Ward vs Paul Smith, and Golovkin vs Murray and Lemieux, then dismiss GGG's chances against Ward the way you do.

Assuming that Ward can still make 168, which I very much doubt, and also assuming a fair ref who won't let him grab and hold whenever he likes, the only advantages I see Ward having over GGG are size and hand speed.

GGG's huge power advantage and his timing would be the equalisers there, I reckon, and he is every bit as clever and crafty as Ward.

I would see it as 50/50, and if I had to put money on it, I would go with Golovkin.

After nearly 14 months off between fights, Andre Ward was 173.5lbs with basically three weeks to go in camp; how you continue to doubt Ward's ability to get off five pounds in three weeks is beyond me.

Beyond that, what success did you see Paul Smith having in his fight with Ward that would lead anyone to believe that there's a hole present that could be exploited? lol

Because Golovkin's power advantage isn't as huge as you want to hype it up as being; Martin Murray taking the fight into the 11th round, with Golovkin rarely (if ever) laying guys out with one shot, made that quite obvious.

[Cinci Champ]

you are inflating the word "care" to mean something it doesnt. Im sure HBO cares (prefers) that GGG keeps winning, as it seems to please their subscribers. But in the end, GGG is just another "program" in the big picture. Fighters come..... fighters go....... and when GGG is gone someone else will take his place. Sure, I suspect HBO would like to see him keep winning, but to try and suggest that it would be some catastrophe to them if he lost a fight, well thats just ******. I guarantee you they have an escape clause from the contract should GGG lose a bout (if they actually wanted to dump him).....

oh please pretending there is not a real agenda to keep ggg winning and keep the aura around him going as the middleweight mike tyson is just being delusional. Why do you think they have this narrative that the only thing that matters is belts even tho every 2 weeks ggg is taking step aside money from someone instead of forcing purse bids. You guys have to see whats actualy going on and stop looking at it from a fans lense. Of course ggg is hbo's baby they are going to protect him its not by accident they did everything in their power to get ward off the table and out of thought and forced him out of the 168 division even tho there were fights that could be made and milk a ggg ward fight in the future which would of been ****ing huge dont be fooled that fight would be gigantic. They could no longer have ggg ducking ward as part of the conversation they had to stop it at all costs and getting them 2 divisions apart instead of one has done just that. if you cant see that then your not lookin at the big picture. Regardless of what people say ward vs ggg would be a mega fight and both fighters and the networks would bank even with ward keeping up his inactive bs. But the problem is that if ward beats ggg it takes away his character he would no longer be nearly as valuable to hbo if ward beat him. Come on man u know how it works lets not pretend hbo is protecting ward from ggg its real.

Its also why they are not forcing a ggg canelo fight as much as they pretend to be. Once ggg beats canelo which I think he will canelo will still be valuable but not nearly as much so they will make sure to get few more fights in before it happens.

Obviously there is friendly ward vs ggg banter on the site and we kid around going back n fourth saying ggg is ducking or ward doesnt even fight etc etc the reality is of course hbo is going to protect their money maker and that is ggg. Ward would be a money maker if he quit being inactive but we all know that story.

This obviously also goes for ggg canelo as well. They may be pretending to want a ggg canelo fight now but the reality is they are in on milking the **** out of it to get as much money from both before one of them lose. Lets not pretend politics and protecting fighters is no big deal its boxing its very real and has always been that way. That goes for promoters, networks , and even where you fight. for example julio chavez or canelo fighting in texas they are going to get the advantage because them winning is more valuable to the states and cities and commissions then if they lose. This is boxing were talking about here its nothing but political bs

[kafkod]

links would be helpful to the conversation, if we're being honest, because the entire story, from both sources, rests on the words of Tom Loeffler, a man who has already shown himself to be less than forthcoming with the truth.

What was this "biggest channel in Russia" that wanted the Golovkin-Lemieux fight, since there's an idea of the type of business that a guy like Alexander Povetkin does on Russian TV? What is the actual scale difference between SAT.1 and RTL, the network that has helped bankroll Klitschko's career in Germany?

Beyond questions like the one's mentioned, what type of money did those rights deals actually bring to the table? Because I don't see BoxNation shelling out a ton of money to pick up a fight that likely aired 3am, with no real importance to the British audience, let alone the "biggest channel in Russia" shelling out top dollar to air a 6am fight with no real bearing to Russian fans.

Because, for all the talk from Loeffler about all the numbers being bigger than they were for other Golovkin fights, K2 paid out ~$4m to the fighters to cover the show, an amount that was also significantly more than what K2 has likely ever committed to a Golovkin card.

Man, you're making me work hard for my points!

Here are links to the reports I quoted. The ESPN article also has an interview with the HBO Vice President.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-per-view-buys

http://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/2015/10/23/gennady-golovkin-david-lemieux-fight-attracts-just-pay-per-view-ppv-buys/

A good indication of how well that fight did is that K2 offered BJS considerably more to fight GGG than Lemieux was paid for putting his title on the line.

[kafkod]

After nearly 14 months off between fights, Andre Ward was 173.5lbs with basically three weeks to go in camp; how you continue to doubt Ward's ability to get off five pounds in three weeks is beyond me.

Beyond that, what success did you see Paul Smith having in his fight with Ward that would lead anyone to believe that there's a hole present that could be exploited? lol

Because Golovkin's power advantage isn't as huge as you want to hype it up as being; Martin Murray taking the fight into the 11th round, with Golovkin rarely (if ever) laying guys out with one shot, made that quite obvious.

Have you forgotten what happened to Chad Dawson after he came down to 168 for Ward? And he had a lot longer than 3 weeks to work with.

According to Andre Ward, the reason he fought Smith at 172 was that he wanted to see how his body would react to coming back down close to 168.

After the fight, he announced he would be fighting at 175 from then on. I rest my case.

What I saw in Ward vs Smith was Andre Ward hitting an overweight, unmotivated opponent at will, with multiple clean, full force punches, none of which bothered Smith at all.

If it hadn't been for a cut eye, plus lack of motivation, Smith would have gone the distance with Andre, I have no doubt about that.

Whatever you think about Martin Murray, he is a tough SOB, with a ton of heart, who has been in with some stiff punchers, includind AA at 168, and has never been stopped by anybody but Golovkin.

If GGG can put Martin Murray down, and almost out, with a single punch to the body, he can KO Ward, for sure.

[kafkod]

I think Lara would be the ultimate test as to GGG's ability to cut off the ring. Because Lara is one of very few fighters that is capable of boxing and moving for 12rds. Its also his natural style. Unlike most of the guys GGG has fought who aren't natural movers. They've resorted to moving because they couldn't take his power.

As for how GGG's "haters" would respond to a GGG win. I'm sure you consider me a GGG hater, so I'll speak for myself. It would basically come to to how GGG wins. Lara is a naturally smaller guy with GGG no punching power. Which means he'd have to fight a perfect fight to win. So the odds are very slim that he'd win. Now, in my eyes Lara is an undefeated fighter. And even if you don't consider him "undefeated", he's never been convincingly beaten. So if GGG came out and completely wrecked him. Of course, that would be impressive. But if he came out and fought a drawish type fight where he was bailed out by a couple KDs. Or, won a controversial decision. Of course, I'd be critical of his performance.

Like I said, the reaction here would be very interesting. Whichever way it went. I can't see Lara beating Golovkin in a million years though.