Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[Scipio2009]

GTFOH with that crap!

Every one of Stevenson's bum fights since Fonfara has bombed in the ratings.

He's earned good money for them - courtesy of Waddell & reed again - but not as much as he could have earned for fighting Kovalev on HBO PPV.

And if you really think that Lara, with 2 defeats, 2 draws, a sub world title at SWW, and a reputation for being a boring, spoiling runner, could be built into bigger fight for GGG than unification with the undefeated WBO MW champ Saunders, you are out of your mind.

And, apart from that, Saunders would have saved Golovkin from having to fight his mando, Johnson next. If GGG fights Lara instead, he can kiss goodbye to his IBF title.

... yet Adonis Stevenson keeps bringing in the money, while Sergey Kovalev has to go back to the hometown of the guy that he just KO'd to get his own decent payday, lol. Keep trumpeting the supremacy of HBOPPV if you want (as if SHOPPV doesn't exist, lol); the lion's share of the money for the fight was still likely to come from Canadian PPV and the live gate, which would've likely been in Montreal anyway. Whether Showtime puts the fight on PPV being unknown, Stevenson-Fonfara 2 on Showtime/Canadian PPV puts more money into Stevenson's pocket than Stevenson-Kovalev on HBOPPV/Canadian PPV, without much doubt [50/50 split on HBO's short money offer, compared to a likely 80/20 split for the Fonfara rematch].

Billy Joe Saunders, walking into any fight, would be doing so as a blank slate that HBO would be trying to create a portrait of.

Lara walks into any promotion for a Golovkin fight with footage of him holding his own, dominating in spots, against a list of opponents that include Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Austin Trout, "El Perro" Angulo, Vanes, and Paul Williams, with a nice little slate of KO wins to fill in the footage. the fact that you keep trying to diminish the guy is hilarious.

[Scipio2009]

wow, whatever drugs you were on when you wrote that, please send me some......

Gennady Golovkin will be 34 years of age come April 2016. When a fighter doesn't simply stand in front of him, Golovkin doesn't look like Superman. Lara stood and scrapped it out with Angulo (when he couldn't get moving) and moved his way to a close decision defeat to Alvarez, and netither guy is really all that much smaller than Golovkin according to Golovkin's fans.

I'm simply taking what I'm seeing and extrapolating the picture.

If a 34 year old Golovkin ends up not being able to cut the ring, as few folks have been able to do against Lara since 2011 (when he broke into top-level opposition), and Lara boxes the **** out of him, the mystique is immediately done with.

[Mr. Philadel]

Recently K2 Promotions - on behalf of WBA/IBF/IBO middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) - made an offer to face WBO belt-holder Billy Joe Saunders (23-0, 12KOs) in a unification on April 23rd. The offer was said to be a deal in excess of $3 million but it seems as though Saunders and his promoter, Frank Warren, have other plans for the spring.

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[OnePunch]

Gennady Golovkin will be 34 years of age come April 2016. When a fighter doesn't simply stand in front of him, Golovkin doesn't look like Superman. Lara stood and scrapped it out with Angulo (when he couldn't get moving) and moved his way to a close decision defeat to Alvarez, and netither guy is really all that much smaller than Golovkin according to Golovkin's fans.

I'm simply taking what I'm seeing and extrapolating the picture.

If a 34 year old Golovkin ends up not being able to cut the ring, as few folks have been able to do against Lara since 2011 (when he broke into top-level opposition), and Lara boxes the **** out of him, the mystique is immediately done with.

Thats a pretty big "if". GGG has barely lost a round in years, and put every opponent on the floor in recent memory. Meanwhile, Lara goes down more than a blonde on prom night.

Sure, I get it anything can happen. I just wouldnt bet next months house payment on it if I were you.....lol


funny though how you guys seem to think Lara being competitive with GGG, or even BEATING him is somehow possible, but rule out ANY chance AT ALL of GGG beating Ward. I just find that a bit curious......

[kafkod]

... yet Adonis Stevenson keeps bringing in the money, while Sergey Kovalev has to go back to the hometown of the guy that he just KO'd to get his own decent payday, lol. Keep trumpeting the supremacy of HBOPPV if you want (as if SHOPPV doesn't exist, lol); the lion's share of the money for the fight was still likely to come from Canadian PPV and the live gate, which would've likely been in Montreal anyway. Whether Showtime puts the fight on PPV being unknown, Stevenson-Fonfara 2 on Showtime/Canadian PPV puts more money into Stevenson's pocket than Stevenson-Kovalev on HBOPPV/Canadian PPV, without much doubt [50/50 split on HBO's short money offer, compared to a likely 80/20 split for the Fonfara rematch].

Billy Joe Saunders, walking into any fight, would be doing so as a blank slate that HBO would be trying to create a portrait of.

Lara walks into any promotion for a Golovkin fight with footage of him holding his own, dominating in spots, against a list of opponents that include Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Austin Trout, "El Perro" Angulo, Vanes, and Paul Williams, with a nice little slate of KO wins to fill in the footage. the fact that you keep trying to diminish the guy is hilarious.

Even Canelo only had 300 PPV buys vs Lara, and that fight did nothing but harm to Lara's marketability.

Much better to have a blank slate, an unbeaten record and a full world title than a bad rep like Lara's.

[HeroBando]

SO what. just because that fight didn't do well doesn't mean this will not.

What isn't in the best interest of HBO is having GGG fight a tough fight or a an opponent that offers a different challenge than the usual.

Shame. Could get an epic fight.



You didn't hear any viewers booing, you heard Canelo fans booing because they were only there to see Canelo get a KO and when that didn't happen they got upset.

Sure thing, shill. Even Cuban posters here were disowning him after that "performance"

[Scipio2009]

Thats a pretty big "if". GGG has barely lost a round in years, and put every opponent on the floor in recent memory. Meanwhile, Lara goes down more than a blonde on prom night.

Sure, I get it anything can happen. I just wouldnt bet next months house payment on it if I were you.....lol


funny though how you guys seem to think Lara being competitive with GGG, or even BEATING him is somehow possible, but rule out ANY chance AT ALL of GGG beating Ward. I just find that a bit curious......

There's nothing that Golovkin does, outside of punch hard, that would give you the notion that he beats Ward; he doesn't fight inside/outside better than Ward, his jab isn't better than Ward's jab, Andre Ward has the physical advantages, and Ward's boxing IQ has been shown to be beyond Golovkin's IQ.

In looking at Golovkin, there are obvious places where he's deficient, and in some of those places, Lara has the tools to be effective. The simple point that Golovkin is far less effective when his opponent moves his feet and Lara, if you can give him credit for anything, will most definitely move his feet. You add that Lara walks into the hypothetical fight with a 4" reach advantage, while also being more than happy to keep the fight from range, in addition to Golovkin seemingly not having the type of power that just puts guys out with single punches, and there's an obvious path that folks could point to for Lara to win.

[OnePunch]

There's nothing that Golovkin does, outside of punch hard, that would give you the notion that he beats Ward; he doesn't fight inside/outside better than Ward, his jab isn't better than Ward's jab, Andre Ward has the physical advantages, and Ward's boxing IQ has been shown to be beyond Golovkin's IQ.

In looking at Golovkin, there are obvious places where he's deficient, and in some of those places, Lara has the tools to be effective. The simple point that Golovkin is far less effective when his opponent moves his feet and Lara, if you can give him credit for anything, will most definitely move his feet. You add that Lara walks into the hypothetical fight with a 4" reach advantage, while also being more than happy to keep the fight from range, in addition to Golovkin seemingly not having the type of power that just puts guys out with single punches, and there's an obvious path that folks could point to for Lara to win.

well should either GGG-Lara or GGG-Ward ever get made, we will find out which one of us is correct. Until then, its all speculation on BOTH sides.....

[kafkod]

Klitschko-Jennings (which aired on regular HBO) likely made significantly more money for K2 than Golovkin-Lemieux and that's without much doubt.

When I said that GGG/Lemieux was the highest international revenue of any K2 promotion I was writing from memory of reports I read about the show at ESPN and other sites just after the event.

You mentioning Wlad/Jennings made me think, so I had another look at some of those reports I read back then.

From ESPN:

"A lot of people focus on the American market, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on BoxNation, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000."

From BoxingJunky:

“I had a tendency to think it was going to do better, with the reaction it was getting nationally and internationally, and also for mainstream viewers, I thought it had a chance to do over 200,000 buys,” said Loeffler. “But that being said, with the ticket sales, with everything else being generated, the sponsorship revenue, which was a much higher number than we ever did before, we had the highest international television revenue we’ve ever had, some of the highest ratings for a show in many of the countries it was televised in."

Thinking about it now, Wlad/Jennings must have done better than GGG/Lemieux, so in that second quote, Loeffler must have been talking about Golovkin's fights only, not every K2 promotion.

I wasn't trying to bull**** you, just misremembered what I read back then.

[kafkod]

There's nothing that Golovkin does, outside of punch hard, that would give you the notion that he beats Ward; he doesn't fight inside/outside better than Ward, his jab isn't better than Ward's jab, Andre Ward has the physical advantages, and Ward's boxing IQ has been shown to be beyond Golovkin's IQ.

In looking at Golovkin, there are obvious places where he's deficient, and in some of those places, Lara has the tools to be effective. The simple point that Golovkin is far less effective when his opponent moves his feet and Lara, if you can give him credit for anything, will most definitely move his feet. You add that Lara walks into the hypothetical fight with a 4" reach advantage, while also being more than happy to keep the fight from range, in addition to Golovkin seemingly not having the type of power that just puts guys out with single punches, and there's an obvious path that folks could point to for Lara to win.

I honestly can't understand how anybody could watch Ward vs Paul Smith, and Golovkin vs Murray and Lemieux, then dismiss GGG's chances against Ward the way you do.

Assuming that Ward can still make 168, which I very much doubt, and also assuming a fair ref who won't let him grab and hold whenever he likes, the only advantages I see Ward having over GGG are size and hand speed.

GGG's huge power advantage and his timing would be the equalisers there, I reckon, and he is every bit as clever and crafty as Ward.

I would see it as 50/50, and if I had to put money on it, I would go with Golovkin.