Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[Chollo Vista]

Sorry, but its waste not waist; a belt goes around your waist.

Let's not kid ourselves here but neither you or anyone else really knows what is going on behind the scenes and I am sure as a boxing manager you have an obligation to look at all outcomes not just one. With that said I am sure Tom has reached out to several fighters and like any good manager is weighing his options.

Also, I really doubt GGG will fight Jacobs or Lara, not because he is scared, but because he has an exclusive contract with HBO and both Jacobs and Lara are signed with Haymon and currently HBO and Haymon are not working together so the point is mute.

Now, if you were to ask for my honest opinion I think GGG beats Jacobs and Lara handily without question. Lara would definitely lose just because he is his own worst enemy with that awful style he has. Jacobs is an amazing guy, I got to meet him while I was deployed in Iraq and he has got to be one of the most down to earth people you can meet but I think he doesn't have the physical strength or speed to deal with GGG.

Sorry, but it's moot not mute; you mute the volume on a TV.

As far as everything else, by all means, you're welcome to your own opinion.

[Scipio2009]

we hear this same "investment" argument when idiots talk about GGG-Ward and say "ooooohhhhh HBO protecting their boy GGG", even though HBO has FAR more money invested in Ward than they do GGG. But why let FACTS interfere?

Bottom line is HBO's boxing budget represents such a tiny fraction of their overall budget, I doubt they care one way or the other who wins or who loses, as long as people watch. They still gave Gatti HBO dates even with 6 or 7 losses on his record.

So spare me the "HBO protecting investment" nonsense. What HBO doesnt want is a stinker like Rigo / Lara putting their viewers to sleep, or having them change the channel.......

HBO bought into Andre Ward AFTER the Super Six tournament, where he proved, without a shadow of a doubt that he was the best 168lb fighter on the planet. In case you forgot, Andre Ward has had all of maybe three fights on HBO, in his entire career; vs Francisco Diaz in 2007 (though I'm not sure if it actually made the telecast), vs Chad Dawson and vs Edwin Rodriguez.

HBO has been slow walking Gennady Golovkin for almost 4 years now, committing 9 HBO dates to the man yet not ever even considering putting him in there with anyone dangerous,

Andre Ward is "the goods"; hate if you want, there's no cogent argument that can be made to disprove that. Nearly 4 years into his run on HBO, no one actually knows how good Gennady Golovkin really is.

If he gets put into the ring with Andre Ward, and Ward whoops him bad, as most folks seem to expect, Golovkin instantly turns into a "smoke and mirrors" farce that HBO tried to delude the fight fan into actually believing was some kind of monster over four years. It'd be obvious that Golovkin is below that top top level of the sport.

If Lara comes in an beats Golovkin clearly, Golovkin may as well just hang up the gloves at that point (a junior middleweight coming up the full six pounds and completely schooling a "monster" who doesn't look all that great when his opponent doesn't just stand there for him); being 34 in April, the time needed to rebuild the reputation wouldn't really be there.

[The Big Dunn]

we hear this same "investment" argument when idiots talk about GGG-Ward and say "ooooohhhhh HBO protecting their boy GGG", even though HBO has FAR more money invested in Ward than they do GGG. But why let FACTS interfere?

Bottom line is HBO's boxing budget represents such a tiny fraction of their overall budget, I doubt they care one way or the other who wins or who loses, as long as people watch. They still gave Gatti HBO dates even with 6 or 7 losses on his record.

So spare me the "HBO protecting investment" nonsense. What HBO doesnt want is a stinker like Rigo / Lara putting their viewers to sleep, or having them change the channel.......

HBO bought into Andre Ward AFTER the Super Six tournament, where he proved, without a shadow of a doubt that he was the best 168lb fighter on the planet. In case you forgot, Andre Ward has had all of maybe three fights on HBO, in his entire career; vs Francisco Diaz in 2007 (though I'm not sure if it actually made the telecast), vs Chad Dawson and vs Edwin Rodriguez.

HBO has been slow walking Gennady Golovkin for almost 4 years now, committing 9 HBO dates to the man yet not ever even considering putting him in there with anyone dangerous,

Andre Ward is "the goods"; hate if you want, there's no cogent argument that can be made to disprove that. Nearly 4 years into his run on HBO, no one actually knows how good Gennady Golovkin really is.

If he gets put into the ring with Andre Ward, and Ward whoops him bad, as most folks seem to expect, Golovkin instantly turns into a "smoke and mirrors" farce that HBO tried to delude the fight fan into actually believing was some kind of monster over four years. It'd be obvious that Golovkin is below that top top level of the sport.

If Lara comes in an beats Golovkin clearly, Golovkin may as well just hang up the gloves at that point (a junior middleweight coming up the full six pounds and completely schooling a "monster" who doesn't look all that great when his opponent doesn't just stand there for him); being 34 in April, the time needed to rebuild the reputation wouldn't really be there.

Are these the facts you were talking about One Punch?

[OnePunch]

HBO does not have more invested in Ward. HBO let Ward's contract expire and only recently resigned him contingent on him fighting Kov. Ward didn't fight for 2 plus years. I mean this isn't even a point of contention.

If you got the facts, list them. How many times has Ward fought on HBO? What about GGG? Whose deal was worth more?

Of course HBO cares who wins and loses. You think HBO signs fighters to multi fight deals assuming they will lose the 1st and 2nd fight? Come on man, don't play ******.

Rigo didn't put fans to sleep in the Donaire fight. If you match a boxer up with a guy who keeps trying to win, you never get a boring fight. If you put Rigo or any boxer in with a guy that quits trying to win, you get boring fights.

you are inflating the word "care" to mean something it doesnt. Im sure HBO cares (prefers) that GGG keeps winning, as it seems to please their subscribers. But in the end, GGG is just another "program" in the big picture. Fighters come..... fighters go....... and when GGG is gone someone else will take his place. Sure, I suspect HBO would like to see him keep winning, but to try and suggest that it would be some catastrophe to them if he lost a fight, well thats just ******. I guarantee you they have an escape clause from the contract should GGG lose a bout (if they actually wanted to dump him).....

[OnePunch]

Are these the facts you were talking about One Punch?

the FACT is that between the Rodriguez fight (including the cost of Rodriguez other HBO bout), the 2 "tuneups", and the proposed Kovalev fight, I wouldnt be one bit surprised if that eclipsed the cost of GGGs last 3 years on HBO.

And that doesnt even begin to cover his commentating salary......

[The Big Dunn]

you are inflating the word "care" to mean something it doesnt. Im sure HBO cares (prefers) that GGG keeps winning, as it seems to please their subscribers. But in the end, GGG is just another "program" in the big picture. Fighters come..... fighters go....... and when GGG is gone someone else will take his place. Sure, I suspect HBO would like to see him keep winning, but to try and suggest that it would be some catastrophe to them if he lost a fight, well thats just ******. I guarantee you they have an escape clause from the contract should GGG lose a bout (if they actually wanted to dump him).....

No, it furthers their investment and maximizes profit from Canelo v GGG, the biggest fight HBO can make on its own.

NO they don't come and go. Stars are few and far between. If he loses, the Canelo fight is not nearly as big to the casual fans you and others want to attract. While we know an undefeated record isn't everything, casual fans value it. Should GGG lose, that hurts the profitability of that fight. That they have an escape clause is kind of making my point.

It was just interesting you chose to compare rigo and lara. HBO invested a ton in DOnaire-they were positioning him to be Manny's replacement. They were looking to have him headline 2-3 cards a year. Rigo ruined that.

GGG is in exact same position. I can't see HBO wanting to lose like that again.

[OnePunch]

HBO bought into Andre Ward AFTER the Super Six tournament, where he proved, without a shadow of a doubt that he was the best 168lb fighter on the planet. In case you forgot, Andre Ward has had all of maybe three fights on HBO, in his entire career; vs Francisco Diaz in 2007 (though I'm not sure if it actually made the telecast), vs Chad Dawson and vs Edwin Rodriguez.

HBO has been slow walking Gennady Golovkin for almost 4 years now, committing 9 HBO dates to the man yet not ever even considering putting him in there with anyone dangerous,

Andre Ward is "the goods"; hate if you want, there's no cogent argument that can be made to disprove that. Nearly 4 years into his run on HBO, no one actually knows how good Gennady Golovkin really is.

If he gets put into the ring with Andre Ward, and Ward whoops him bad, as most folks seem to expect, Golovkin instantly turns into a "smoke and mirrors" farce that HBO tried to delude the fight fan into actually believing was some kind of monster over four years. It'd be obvious that Golovkin is below that top top level of the sport.

If Lara comes in an beats Golovkin clearly, Golovkin may as well just hang up the gloves at that point (a junior middleweight coming up the full six pounds and completely schooling a "monster" who doesn't look all that great when his opponent doesn't just stand there for him); being 34 in April, the time needed to rebuild the reputation wouldn't really be there.

wow, whatever drugs you were on when you wrote that, please send me some......

[The Big Dunn]

the FACT is that between the Rodriguez fight (including the cost of Rodriguez other HBO bout), the 2 "tuneups", and the proposed Kovalev fight, I wouldnt be one bit surprised if that eclipsed the cost of GGGs last 3 years on HBO.

And that doesnt even begin to cover his commentating salary......

you are trying to factor in fights that haven't happened yet? Then you are trying to say his announcer money equates to HBO investing in him as a fighter-despite them not showing his last fight.

Geez dude just admit you posted in error.

[OnePunch]

you are trying to factor in fights that haven't happened yet? Then you are trying to say his announcer money equates to HBO investing in him as a fighter-despite them not showing his last fight.

Geez dude just admit you posted in error.

you think if GGG sparked Ward it wouldnt hurt his value as a commentator????

you cant be that naive. Oh wait, nevermind......

and whether the fights happened yet or not, HBO committed the resources to them. You Ward slobberers are too much, you want to credit ward for taking the Kovalev fight like its a done deal (ward stepping up, facing challenges, etc etc blah blah blah), but pretend its just speculation when talking about the HBO side of it (fight hasnt happened yet doe blah blah).....lol

[OnePunch]

you are trying to factor in fights that haven't happened yet? Then you are trying to say his announcer money equates to HBO investing in him as a fighter-despite them not showing his last fight.

Geez dude just admit you posted in error.

dont know how I missed this gem, but I'll let you in on a little secret.

Despite your obvious ample supply of narcissism, the fact that someone has a differing opinion than yours does not automatically mean they are wrong.

I know, I know, its a tough concept for you to grasp, but give it a try anyways.......