Robbie Lawler: Mayweather wouldn't last 2 minutes with any top UFC fighter

[1bad65]

People keep saying this crap when MMA is concerned when the talent pool is crap compared to boxing.

So what? The best still fight the best in MMA alot more than in boxing.

Unfortunately there is a lot of cherry picking in boxing but that does not mean the MMA fighters are facing stiffer challenges.

Actually it does.

I have noticed that UFC fans have a tendency to make excuses when one of their hype jobs gets exposed.

Not me, and to be honest, not any of the MMA guys I trained with who also watched UFC.

It's not that MMA fighters face greater challenges; their fans simply have lower expectations.

Dead wrong. MMA fans hav higher expectations that they will see the best fight the best. Sadly boxing fans have just accepted this down't happen near as often in boxing as it should.

Heck, you have the trainer/manager of a guy who holds/held multiple world titles (Danny Garcia) saying boxers shouldn't be accepting challenging fights and instead cherry-picking!!

personally I always looked at UFC as a place for.....

a) former high school and college wrestlers who wanted to make doe off their skills also Olympic level Judo fighters

This is true. Before MMA, guys who were top notch wrestlers didn't really have a way to earn money with those skills unless they got something like a coaching job in a HS or college. Now they have another route, and some use it.

b)fighters who know they cant make it in boxing, kick boxing, muay thai or any major martial art combat sport

That's ridiculous. First off, some like the MMA rule-set as opposed to the sports you mentioned. Second, two of those (kick boxing and Muay Thai) are not bigger than MMA (in the US) and thus there's more money/fame in MMA than those two.

And I will say this, I was a boxing fan first (I watched and loved boxing well before UFC 1) and as a fan I still prefer boxing. Now when I spar/train, I prefer MMA, as it more fits my size/skills/age etc and gives me more ways to attack than just with my hands.

I just wish boxing had more of the best fighting the best like MMA tends to do.

[New England]

[QUOTE=IronDanHamza;16391815]

I know nothing about ultimate fighting but he can't have been as far gone as Toney surely? I thought they said he was the champion or something?

I did stay up and watch that whole card at a friends. That's the only one I've ever watched. What an embarrassment.

i mean, he's 5 years older, dan. he was not a champion at the time. had lost the championship a while back to a guy he'd beat in his prime named brock lesnar, who was basically a sideshow.

couture was an all american collegiate wrestler. that's a brutal sport that wears you down. his body had taken more of a pounding than toney, but his brain would be more intact. it's not like he took advantage of the things that a punchy fighter exhibits, like being unable to pull the trigger, having a weaker chin than he did in his prime, having poor timing or accuracy, etc.

toney clearly didn't train for any ground work at all. he wouldn't have been able to react meaningfully in his prime to a low single leg takedown. he expected to do what a lot of you guys expect a boxer to be able to do, which was punch the wrestler who drops below his knees and shoots for his ankles, but it's just not that easy



now, if you want to argue that toney would beat couture if he had actually learned to fight in MMA you'd acutally be proving my point, which i wouldn't mind. i waste WAY too much time trying to educate on the bscene.

[BigAlexSand]

[QUOTE=New England;16391847]

i mean, he's 5 years older, dan. he was not a champion at the time. had lost the championship a while back to a guy he'd beat in his prime named brock lesnar, who was basically a sideshow.

couture was an all american collegiate wrestler. that's a brutal sport that wears you down. his body had taken more of a pounding than toney, but his brain would be more intact. it's not like he took advantage of the things that a punchy fighter exhibits, like being unable to pull the trigger, having a weaker chin than he did in his prime, having poor timing or accuracy, etc.

toney clearly didn't train for any ground work at all. he wouldn't have been able to react meaningfully in his prime to a low single leg takedown. he expected to do what a lot of you guys expect a boxer to be able to do, which was punch the wrestler who drops below his knees and shoots for his ankles, but it's just not that easy



now, if you want to argue that toney would beat couture if he had actually learned to fight in MMA you'd acutally be proving my point, which i wouldn't mind. i waste WAY too much time trying to educate on the bscene.

Tell em'......

[therealpugilist]

So what? The best still fight the best in MMA alot more than in boxing.



Actually it does.



Not me, and to be honest, not any of the MMA guys I trained with who also watched UFC.



Dead wrong. MMA fans hav higher expectations that they will see the best fight the best. Sadly boxing fans have just accepted this down't happen near as often in boxing as it should.

Heck, you have the trainer/manager of a guy who holds/held multiple world titles (Danny Garcia) saying boxers shouldn't be accepting challenging fights and instead cherry-picking!!



This is true. Before MMA, guys who were top notch wrestlers didn't really have a way to earn money with those skills unless they got something like a coaching job in a HS or college. Now they have another route, and some use it.



That's ridiculous. First off, some like the MMA rule-set as opposed to the sports you mentioned. Second, two of those (kick boxing and Muay Thai) are not bigger than MMA (in the US) and thus there's more money/fame in MMA than those two.

And I will say this, I was a boxing fan first (I watched and loved boxing well before UFC 1) and as a fan I still prefer boxing. Now when I spar/train, I prefer MMA, as it more fits my size/skills/age etc and gives me more ways to attack than just with my hands.

I just wish boxing had more of the best fighting the best like MMA tends to do.

its just my opinon....Ive done combat sports off and on my whole life and the people that I know personally that do MMA are guys who weren't very good boxers, muy thai or ISKA style kick boxing......MMa USE TO BE LIKE A kUMITE Where different styles clashed....now its a little this and a little that....it has evolved



Im a former high school wrestler, did tae kwon do in my youth and boxed in my 20s.....My gym I went too had boxing, MMA and Muay Thai and 9/10 the guys who practiced MMA didn't have a combat background at all, or were wreslters in high school with no boxing experience


I do agree though the best should fight the best more in boxing

[therealpugilist]

So what? The best still fight the best in MMA alot more than in boxing.



Actually it does.



Not me, and to be honest, not any of the MMA guys I trained with who also watched UFC.



Dead wrong. MMA fans hav higher expectations that they will see the best fight the best. Sadly boxing fans have just accepted this down't happen near as often in boxing as it should.

Heck, you have the trainer/manager of a guy who holds/held multiple world titles (Danny Garcia) saying boxers shouldn't be accepting challenging fights and instead cherry-picking!!



This is true. Before MMA, guys who were top notch wrestlers didn't really have a way to earn money with those skills unless they got something like a coaching job in a HS or college. Now they have another route, and some use it.



That's ridiculous. First off, some like the MMA rule-set as opposed to the sports you mentioned. Second, two of those (kick boxing and Muay Thai) are not bigger than MMA (in the US) and thus there's more money/fame in MMA than those two.

And I will say this, I was a boxing fan first (I watched and loved boxing well before UFC 1) and as a fan I still prefer boxing. Now when I spar/train, I prefer MMA, as it more fits my size/skills/age etc and gives me more ways to attack than just with my hands.

I just wish boxing had more of the best fighting the best like MMA tends to do.

being frank and im not trying to be controversial but in America people of color are the dominant fighters in boxing, Muay Thai, etc.


UFC brought a platform that is new and guys of other demographics can have success


Think about it....when was the last time you saw a white American champion....Kelly Pavlik and before him it was a while



Wrestling is dominated by mid west and south by Caucasian males in their youth...kids of color usually do track, b ball, football etc....in my hometown wrestling didn't start until 9th grade in the inner city, whereas as people we fought in other counties started in 6th grade.


I know, I wrestled here in GA and my team would get crazy looks...we were the only all black team at many tournaments

[Eff Pandas]

It's even simpler than that. If one combatant can use legs, elbows, clinches, throws, etc etc he has a monstrous advantage.

Put a UFC guy up against a guy with a sword. Result = Dead UFC guy.

Doesn't mean the sword fighter is a superior fighter.

******est debate EVER!!!!!!!!!

LOL solid point. And I'll take the guy with the gun over the guy with the sword.

the UFC markets itself. it's what they do best. they're a brand. you guys think it's any coincedence that a lot of their top fighters call out or talk about floyd mayweather? they're trying to coax him to MMA, or at least use his name to promote their own fights, and it's definitely a strategy passed down from UFC marketing people.

Absolutely. Watch in a couple years when whoever has taken over for Floyd & Manny is the face of boxing starts being talked about by MMA fighters. For sure Dana & many of the upper guys in the UFC are "fight fans" who enjoy & talk boxing & MMA, but there is clearly a systemic approach being taken by UFC fighters to connect themselves with boxers (usually Floyd) to help build themselves up or just keep their name in the media or get it out there to fans who haven't transitioned to MMA yet & could at some point.

Easy there...UFC fighters just cause they punch don't mean that they are boxing. Remeber if you leave your hands down even for a second the boxer will catch you & remember we put our body behind our punches...& don't try that bull**** running in forward cause the uppercut will be waiting for you...

Fwiw I'm not saying every boxer is losing to every MMA guy in a street fight. I'm just saying that in a street fight MMA is a superior range of skills to possess & the MMA guys are gonna win the war even if they happen to lose some battles. Too many street fights include more than just striking/boxing & once a fight is on the ground a boxers chances go down drastically of winning.

Floyd wouldn't last two minutes at Wimbledon either

Wrong. Tennis matches take forever. Floyd is gonna suck ass for sure, but he'll be sucking ass for like 45mins at least I'd guess before he's out.

[fanofslug]

Ever notice it's always the UFC mentioning boxing and not the other way round. It's a ploy to get more boxing fans watching, but sadly...UFC is garbage.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

mma dudes are nothing but fags, they love to talk **** but the first thing they do when they face a boxer is go for their legs lmfao.

And Mayweather will break any top ufc fighters jaw right off so...... you mma fags arent saying much.

[Bigg Rigg]

The media is bringing up this stuff. The media is trying to pit boxing against MMA and these fighters are just answering the questions the way fighters would.

Idk why ppl just don't understand that..... Media asks these guys about Floyd all the time. Robbie Lawler is not going to talk about Floyd just to get attention. He's a weirdo, totally likes to fly under the radar.

[Ham Porter]

i mean, he's 5 years older, dan. he was not a champion at the time. had lost the championship a while back to a guy he'd beat in his prime named brock lesnar, who was basically a sideshow.

Numerical age means nothing in fighting. Hopkins is far fresher, in far better condition than guys about twenty years younger than himself and is still capable of competing at a good level. Toney's younger than Hopkins, yet has been a physical, brain damaged wrexck for about a decade now.

And no, Couture would never beat Lesnar. He moved down from heavyweight in the first place because he couldn't deal with bigger, physically imposing grapplers like Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.