When did it matter if a fighter fights at home if they are not getting gift decisions

[Motofan]

how long are they gonna ride that horse....that was years ago and he was an up and coming contender....none the fights were close so it kind of kills the home town advantage

Hahaha that cuts both ways my friend.

[therealpugilist]

that's what clinching does though. it takes a fight that might have been close and makes it a domination. see wlad's career, alexander-maidana, maidana-floyd 2(best example of how clinching can influence a fight), etc...that's the security that ward has when he fights in oakland. if he doesn't have to clinch he won't but if he feels he needs to rely on breaking the rules he knows he can get away with it. if he fought in someone else's home country that same sense of security and entitlement wouldn't exist.

Whats up with all these lame crybaby excuses...dude hasn't even had any close fights


Where was all the when GGG blantantly hit Lemiuex when he was down? Fighters have been disqualified or points docked for that....sooooooo?

Its the other fighters problem if he and his coach doesn't adjust to what the other fighter is doing


they teach you how to use leverage, your head and shoulders and pivots to get out of a clinch as a novice....you mean to tell me pro boxers don't know how to work out of a clinch???



A MFer head butt me, I would get them back with a foul...eye for an eye, toof for a toofus

[therealpugilist]

Hahaha that cuts both ways my friend.

I agree


the super 6 was years ago but why complain about where the guy is fighting when the problem before was his activity level.....he has a fight coming up with an undefeated fighter who is pretty good in his 2nd fight as a light heavyweight....just seem like people on this site gotta find something to bytch about......NSB...NON STOP B1TCHING

[DreamerUSA]

1) Yes, Ward's headbutt was much worse and more blatant than Wlad's.

2) Weeks allowed Fury to get away with rabbit punches for 10 (or 11?) rounds. He warned Fury 4-5 times. I think it's fair he allows Wlad to get away with a headbutt.
3) In case people forgot how bad Ward's headbutts were, here's an article from his fight with Kessler:

4) Here's another article on that fight. 88 clinches from Ward. Should have been deducted at least a point in that fight, as well as Froch.


How easily people forget :-/

Have to admit. I forgot how nasty a headbutt that was. Have to give him props for stringing the fouls together, a butt straight into a clinch lol.

[j0zef]

im not from Missouri but a MFer have to show me...I don't involve myself in should've, could've, would've...that's a big problem on this site


Both are undefeated....and the right man won vs Klitschko


Fury probably knew that game plan wasn't fan friendly, I understand being worried about being robbed but you don't have to worry about being robbed when you clearly beat your opponent

He won all his fights fair and square and if he was in Timbuktu it wouldn't have made a difference in any of wards fights

Sorry, 1000% disagree. Your view is naive.

We're dealing with elite athletes who prepare for months and put their all into the fight. Very often the difference between fighters is small and it's hard to find a 'clear winner'. The LAST thing any one of us wants is to have clear bias because of location.

Look at ANY other sport - they all go to painstaking degrees to eliminate any bias from location and referees. NBA playoffs are played on both parties' home turf. The NBA finals are split into 2/3/2 to remove perceived advantage of the home team. The Superbowl is played at a neutral site. Olympics move from city to city, very rarely coming back to one in order to remove any perception or chance of biased decisions.


Fighting all of your big fights at home has always been a problem for me. I'll call everyone out on that - Floyd, Wlad (to a degree), Ward, etc. When Fury won, I was VERY happy. Not because I like Fury, or I liked the fight, or because I hate Wlad (all 3 are 100% false). I was happy because the right man won and hometown judges did not play a role.

[OnePunch]

how long are they gonna ride that horse....that was years ago and he was an up and coming contender....none the fights were close so it kind of kills the home town advantage

having a referee that allows you to consistently foul through the entire fight without repercussions can be just as important as having home-cooking from the judges.....

[therealpugilist]

Sorry, 1000% disagree. Your view is naive.

We're dealing with elite athletes who prepare for months and put their all into the fight. Very often the difference between fighters is small and it's hard to find a 'clear winner'. The LAST thing any one of us wants is to have clear bias because of location.

Look at ANY other sport - they all go to painstaking degrees to eliminate any bias from location and referees. NBA playoffs are played on both parties' home turf. The NBA finals are split into 2/3/2 to remove perceived advantage of the home team. The Superbowl is played at a neutral site. Olympics move from city to city, very rarely coming back to one in order to remove any perception or chance of biased decisions.


Fighting all of your big fights at home has always been a problem for me. I'll call everyone out on that - Floyd, Wlad (to a degree), Ward, etc. When Fury won, I was VERY happy. Not because I like Fury, or I liked the fight, or because I hate Wlad (all 3 are 100% false). I was happy because the right man won and hometown judges did not play a role.

my view is my view....do I agree with you...no....do I think you're opinion is naïve...nope


fighting at home is a problem if you're getting robbery wins


You call it naïve I call it speaking from personal experience and putting some responsibility on the opponent and his coach

From a personal point of view when I first started boxing in my early 20's I would get so frustrated with the clinching the more experienced guys did...I'd get head butt and fouled too....I worked with my trainer and taught me how to work out of a clinch, control the leverage and break free....always know where the ref is to get some pay back at an odd angle or make sure the ref can see when the opponent fouls


Also being in Las Vegas didn't stopped the rabbit punching, low blows, knees, etc that Maidana was doing in his first fight with Mayweather....I don't think he lost any points and he hit him behind the head so many times I cant count.....What did Floyd do...he got his ass of the ropes, used his legs, and PREVENTED HIS OPPONENT FROM DOING THE SAME THING.


Crybabies complain.....winners adapt.....trust me I took my licks and got beat up pretty good some days but I'll damned I ever got fouled and didn't retaliate in some way...different folks different strokes.....the ref isn't going to see everything or agree with you complaints


My old trainer used to tell me all the time, its not about what that guy across from you is going to do, its about what you are going to do and fight your fight and maintain control and composure

[j0zef]

my view is my view....do I agree with you...no....do I think you're opinion is naïve...nope


fighting at home is a problem if you're getting robbery wins


You call it naïve I call it speaking from personal experience and putting some responsibility on the opponent and his coach

From a personal point of view when I first started boxing in my early 20's I would get so frustrated with the clinching the more experienced guys did...I'd get head butt and fouled too....I worked with my trainer and taught me how to work out of a clinch, control the leverage and break free....always know where the ref is to get some pay back at an odd angle or make sure the ref can see when the opponent fouls


Also being in Las Vegas didn't stopped the rabbit punching, low blows, knees, etc that Maidana was doing in his first fight with Mayweather....I don't think he lost any points and he hit him behind the head so many times I cant count.....What did Floyd do...he got his ass of the ropes, used his legs, and PREVENTED HIS OPPONENT FROM DOING THE SAME THING.


Crybabies complain.....winners adapt.....trust me I took my licks and got beat up pretty good some days but I'll damned I ever got fouled and didn't retaliate in some way...different folks different strokes.....the ref isn't going to see everything or agree with you complaints


My old trainer used to tell me all the time, its not about what that guy across from you is going to do, its about what you are going to do and fight your fight and maintain control and composure

Ok - your view is not naive, but it's not a view that I agree with because it does not represent the sport.

What you're describing is a fight. I have never boxed in my life (with gloves against another person), but have extensive krav maga training. Krav maga teaches you to use any advantage to disable your opponent and exit the situation unscathed, no matter what. There are no rules, and I'm comfortable with that.

But that is not what boxing is. Boxing is a beautiful sport that I love to watch and learn about. There is no room in boxing for low blows, 100 clinches, headbutts, rabbit punches etc. There's no room for fixed judges, home cooking and fouls galore. It's about two men (or women) competing in fist fighting while showing absolute respect to their opponent and the sport in which they take part in.


On the second though, it's not your view that was naive. It was mine.

[therealpugilist]

Ok - your view is not naive, but it's not a view that I agree with because it does not represent the sport.

What you're describing is a fight. I have never boxed in my life (with gloves against another person), but have extensive krav maga training. Krav maga teaches you to use any advantage to disable your opponent and exit the situation unscathed, no matter what. There are no rules, and I'm comfortable with that.

But that is not what boxing is. Boxing is a beautiful sport that I love to watch and learn about. There is no room in boxing for low blows, 100 clinches, headbutts, rabbit punches etc. There's no room for fixed judges, home cooking and fouls galore. It's about two men (or women) competing in fist fighting while showing absolute respect to their opponent and the sport in which they take part in.


On the second though, it's not your view that was naive. It was mine.

fouls happen its part of the sport, its up to the fighters to adjust is my point

[Butt stuff]

Ws it as bad as the headbutt Tony Weeks allowed Wlad to get away with against Fury?? or the knee Weeks allowed Maidana to throw at Mayweather?

Not sure why you mentioned them other fighters, I assume you think I support either of those guys and would give them a free pass which I certainly don't. One guy doing something bad doesn't excuse another does it? Or is that what you're implying because it seems like it?

Also see the replies below and refer back to my original post.

no it was worse and he did it multiple times. any more easy to answer questions?

1) Yes, Ward's headbutt was much worse and more blatant than Wlad's.

2) Weeks allowed Fury to get away with rabbit punches for 10 (or 11?) rounds. He warned Fury 4-5 times. I think it's fair he allows Wlad to get away with a headbutt.
3) In case people forgot how bad Ward's headbutts were, here's an article from his fight with Kessler:

4) Here's another article on that fight. 88 clinches from Ward. Should have been deducted at least a point in that fight, as well as Froch.


How easily people forget :-/