Does Duran Outdo Floyd At Beating manny

[SilverMiles]

if manny is more competitive with duran than he was with Floyd, then Floyd did better

I disagree. Floyd didn't do much. Duran will do more even in a competitive fight. I consider Morales to have the best victory over Manny, Duran vs Manny would be something similar.

I don't considering prancing and pawing impressive.

[Dip_Slide]

Such fantasy fights don't make much sense, a lot of variables have changed and one of the most important ones is drug testing, not sure if there was any PED testing in the early 80s, Floyd and many did olympic style rigorous random blood and urine testing before their fight, so we can never predict how such matches would've played out simply because the sport is different now.

[GrandpaBernard]

I disagree. Floyd didn't do much. Duran will do more even in a competitive fight. I consider Morales to have the best victory over Manny, Duran vs Manny would be something similar.

Except Morales went 7-5 with manny and got busted up along the way

Dishing out punishment is how opponents score points. Everything the opponent lands is a positive for him. The more the loser of the fight lands, the more competitive the fight was.

I don't considering prancing and pawing impressive.

This is your personal preference which has no bearing on how competitive a fight is.

You measure how competitive a fight is based on how easy it was for the winner to win.

[SilverMiles]

Except Morales went 7-5 with manny and got busted up along the way

Dishing out punishment is how opponents score points. Everything the opponent lands is a positive for him. The more the loser of the fight lands, the more competitive the fight was.

This is your personal preference which has no bearing on how competitive a fight is.

You measure how competitive a fight is based on how easy it was for the winner to win.

No it's the Sweet Science of Briusing. Maybe you should look up the definition of Briusing. The sport isn't going to change just for you and your opinion. Duran does better against Manny in a better fight.

[The plunger man]

Well, if by "No Mas" Duran you mean the bloated out of shape Duran that showed up for the Leonard rematch, I'd give Pacquiao the edge, as I would a lot of fighters. If the "No Mas" is just an attempt to slam him, I guess you mean before that fight. No really sure what you mean there. But the Duran who showed up in Montreal for Leonard would have knocked Pacquiao out in about six rounds I think. Pacman just wouldn't be able to stand up to his punches the way Leonard did. He would also be easier to find for Duran as he'd be willing to come at him. Couple that with the fact that Pacman is also not a natural welterweight and well, Duran really has the edge since he's facing a fighter who is close to his own size.

Now a 29 year old Pacquiao fight would be much more fun and I think Pac goes more rounds. However, he still gets knocked out, especially when Duran was 29. This was right after he beat Palomino and his skills were solid as was his conditioning. He wasn't just the beast at lightweight anymore. He was a master technician. So Pacman just wouldn't have enough. He might score a flash knockdown but I highly doubt even that.

And of course, lastly, Duran never actually said "No mas." Howard Cossell invented that.

Bloated out of shape duran ?...... He weighed the same as the first fight and was not out of shape it's only duran nuthuggers that insist duran was out of shape...duran was in camp for 10 weeks ...yes he blew up during fights but that was not new for duran....I siuggest you actually get to the real facts.....duran won the first by leonard choosing not to use footwork and he still only won the fight by 2 rounds....2nd time leonard moved and never laid on the ropes or traded.....u can see it in both fights, there's also an interview after the fights that Ray arcel said there was no stomach cramps......Duran beat leonard toe to toe and leonard choose boxing and boxed his ears off...style son styles

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Yes styles make fights and thats the reason its harder to say who is better by judging on how they beat a common opponent cause both fight in different styles.

[GrandpaBernard]

No it's the Sweet Science of Briusing. Maybe you should look up the definition of Briusing. The sport isn't going to change just for you and your opinion. Duran does better against Manny in a better fight.

According to you Duran would 'do better' because he does more in a competitive fight

I disagree. Floyd didn't do much. Duran will do more even in a competitive fight. I consider Morales to have the best victory over Manny, Duran vs Manny would be something similar.

I don't considering prancing and pawing impressive.

Being competitive with manny in itself would mean Duran does worse.

Competitive means the fight's loser was able to have success against his opponent.

Effectiveness in boxing is a zero sum game. The more unsuccessful your opponent is, the more successful you are.

Had you said Duran does better because he controls and dominates manny more than Floyd did, you would have a leg to stand on.

Dear Morales couldn't control and dominate manny to the degree that Marquez and Floyd did. You think Duran does better because he'd have a wild fight like Morales.

[SilverMiles]

According to you Duran would 'do better' because he does more in a competitive fight

Being competitive with manny in itself would mean Duran does worse.

Competitive means the fight's loser was able to have success against his opponent.

Effectiveness in boxing is a zero sum game. The more unsuccessful your opponent is, the more successful you are.

No not really.

Boxing is a offensive sport. Floyd offense was poor. Duran will have better offense. The whole point of boxing is to land and to land hard. Duran will do this which mean he'll do better.

If you fight 12 rounds and can't hurt you opponent once you did a ****ty job.

[just the facts]

I disagree. Floyd didn't do much. Duran will do more even in a competitive fight. I consider Morales to have the best victory over Manny, Duran vs Manny would be something similar.

I don't considering prancing and pawing impressive.

JMM doesn't rate higher than Morales?

[GrandpaBernard]

No not really.

Boxing is a offensive sport. Floyd offense was poor. Duran will have better offense. The whole point of boxing is to land and to land hard. Duran will do this which mean he'll do better.

If you fight 12 rounds and can't hurt you opponent once you did a ****ty job.

The objective of any sport is to win.

The more thoroughly you win, the better you did.

manny hurt Morales many times. Going by your line of thinking manny did a good job, which means Morales didn't do as good a job since his opponent had success.

Your mind says Duran does better because he'd hurt manny and get hurt also just like Morales.