PBC/Haymon Elite Boxers Influence at the end of 2015

[Eff Pandas]

matthysse signed a 5 year contract with gbp last year so hes not going anywhere.

That actually was a legit thing that made me consider not putting Matthysse on the list, but the fact remains they had a previous relationship that didn't seem to end bad & while Oscar & Al obviously got issues the fact is Al could in theory sign Oscar's whole roster to the standard adviser deal he tends to sign guys to. Is it likely? Obviously not, but Matthysse seems like a special case to me (along with Mikey Garcia, who's still with TR although in a much less agreeable situation, & Demetrius Andrade, whos signed with Banner but has been not so secretive about going to PBC/Haymon).

badou jack mickey bey andrew tabiti are with floyd sand have mgrs mostly floyds cousin but none are with haymon although they can be on his shows

I didn't say that Bey was with Haymon. And I don't got Tabiti as with him either, but I left out the particulars of the ranked guys & prospects cuz that was a lot more info to include & I thought was too much info. I do consider them as PBC guys doe with Bey having canceled PBC fights planned in the past & having just fought on PBC & Tabiti having a PBC fight or two himself + being linked with one of Haymon's main promoters, Mayweather Promotions.

I did say Jack was. I've seen it reported that he is. I'll look deeper into that one. Who's Floyd's cousin that manages him?

[IMDAZED]

Agree with all of this basically. And you mention HBO in passing & a lot of people mention HBO as a competitor to PBC, but I don't necessarily think that has to be the case.

I think PBC & HBO could work together in minor or major ways in the future. How things go with this whole Stevenson vs Kovalev fight in June could be an early indication of that. I think it isn't in HBO's best benefit to risk a fight between 2 undefeated P4P discussed HBO fighters in late 2016 so I doubt it goes anywhere, but the fact that that fight is on the table again (or talked about being on the table anyway) with Peter Nelson heading HBO now is a sign there could be future deals including Stevenson vs Kovalev just at a later date.

Strategically I also think it could be in PBC's best interest to work with HBO as it could further legitimize some of there fighters if they beat the "HBO guy" in one off deals as the Stevenson fight is being discussed as. I also think rather insidiously having PBC guys not contractually obligated to HBO in HBO fights would help cut into their dwindling boxing budget to the detriment of building new HBO fighters or bringing push to shove with fighters on the bubble with HBO.

Haymon don't cook with a microwave, he uses a crockpot. This is gonna take awhile.

Agree 100%. Let Main Events promote and put it on HBO if need be. Stevenson isn't getting any younger and what does Haymon lose, really? Establish a relationship with HBO again. But then again, as you say, I can't imagine Main Events and HBO risking that fight when a bigger pot awaits in Ward. No, I don't think Kovalev is ducking the fight but his handlers don't want or need it.

[killakali]

That actually was a legit thing that made me consider not putting Matthysse on the list, but the fact remains they had a previous relationship that didn't seem to end bad & while Oscar & Al obviously got issues the fact is Al could in theory sign Oscar's whole roster to the standard adviser deal he tends to sign guys to. Is it likely? Obviously not, but Matthysse seems like a special case to me (along with Mikey Garcia, who's still with TR although in a much less agreeable situation, & Demetrius Andrade, whos signed with Banner but has been not so secretive about going to PBC/Haymon).



I didn't say that Bey was with Haymon. And I don't got Tabiti as with him either, but I left out the particulars of the ranked guys & prospects cuz that was a lot more info to include & I thought was too much info. I do consider them as PBC guys doe with Bey having canceled PBC fights planned in the past & having just fought on PBC & Tabiti having a PBC fight or two himself + being linked with one of Haymon's main promoters, Mayweather Promotions.

I did say Jack was. I've seen it reported that he is. I'll look deeper into that one. Who's Floyd's cousin that manages him?

Floyd's cousin dajuan manages most of the tmt stable. he has mickey bey and most of the others. thats why u never hear jack thank al haymon

haymon as an adviser could sign any fighter with tr, main events, gbp etc. He wouldn't sign matthysse now. he had contracts with Santa Cruz and wilder and bought them out so that they weren't with gbp. Remember oscar wanted to put leo in with rigo and haymon squashed that asap. he doesn't want to share control with a promter.

[Rich2123]

Agree 100%. Let Main Events promote and put it on HBO if need be. Stevenson isn't getting any younger and what does Haymon lose, really? Establish a relationship with HBO again. But then again, as you say, I can't imagine Main Events and HBO risking that fight when a bigger pot awaits in Ward. No, I don't think Kovalev is ducking the fight but his handlers don't want or need it.

Isn't Kovalev vs Stevenson a much bigger fight than Kovalev vs Ward? If it's going to be on HBO, or HBO PPV, they would do well to get this fight.

[sicko]

Haymon is not ****** he knows how to run his business, he has built himself a very successful Concert Promotion in which he sold half if that to Live Nation for A LOT of money.

Same will likely happen to PBC, I think he will build it up slowly and the hope is to get a Major Multi Network TV Deal package. I know fans are b1tching about match ups but why would anybody spend their own Money for TV Time and also give these Networks your best match ups all for free on your dime? Screw that, again that is proof that Haymon is smart, if you really want the best match ups on your network then you will have to invest. So the best match ups will go to Showtime for now because Showtime is likely putting up money for those fights and those other networks are not invest in PBC Yet.

[about.thousands]

Haymon is not ****** he knows how to run his business, he has built himself a very successful Concert Promotion in which he sold half if that to Live Nation for A LOT of money.

Same will likely happen to PBC, I think he will build it up slowly and the hope is to get a Major Multi Network TV Deal package. I know fans are b1tching about match ups but why would anybody spend their own Money for TV Time and also give these Networks your best match ups all for free on your dime? Screw that, again that is proof that Haymon is smart, if you really want the best match ups on your network then you will have to invest. So the best match ups will go to Showtime for now because Showtime is likely putting up money for those fights and those other networks are not invest in PBC Yet.

NSB posters and boxing writers are smarter The way people underestimate the brain power behind this operation is laughable. These people speak of billions not millions. People say Haymon has a $500 mil war chest. That $500mil is 1% of the hedge funds total money and they're willing to risk it all. That's like me with $100 in my pocket spending $1 on a lottery ticket. It's a small thing to a giant.

[asgarth]

he has big influence on the boxing landscape, but its pretty ******ed to have almost the whole 154pound division on his stable without the top guys fighting against other top guys

[Jsmooth9876]

Haymon is not ****** he knows how to run his business, he has built himself a very successful Concert Promotion in which he sold half if that to Live Nation for A LOT of money.

Same will likely happen to PBC, I think he will build it up slowly and the hope is to get a Major Multi Network TV Deal package. I know fans are b1tching about match ups but why would anybody spend their own Money for TV Time and also give these Networks your best match ups all for free on your dime? Screw that, again that is proof that Haymon is smart, if you really want the best match ups on your network then you will have to invest. So the best match ups will go to Showtime for now because Showtime is likely putting up money for those fights and those other networks are not invest in PBC Yet.

And that's exactly what pisses guys like me off. You build up guys like Quillen and Jacobs with 1-2 fights on "free" tv and you mention them meeting in the future numerous times on these broadcasts only when they meet you take the fight to a premium pay channel in Showtime. I understand the logic on his end to have Showtime buy the rights to the right but PBC will fail if they continue with that logic.

We need the payoff at the end of a lot of these garbage match ups they give us.
Thurman vs Porter is a huge fight for us hardcore fans but Thurman lost all his buzz by the end of this year. They need to build the fights with logical match ups and end with a conclusive fight between to major fighters.

[sicko]

And that's exactly what pisses guys like me off. You build up guys like Quillen and Jacobs with 1-2 fights on "free" tv and you mention them meeting in the future numerous times on these broadcasts only when they meet you take the fight to a premium pay channel in Showtime. I understand the logic on his end to have Showtime buy the rights to the right but PBC will fail if they continue with that logic.

We need the payoff at the end of a lot of these garbage match ups they give us.
Thurman vs Porter is a huge fight for us hardcore fans but Thurman lost all his buzz by the end of this year. They need to build the fights with logical match ups and end with a conclusive fight between to major fighters.

And that is why once his current contracts are up these Networks will have no choice but to buy in to assure that they do get the big fights on their Network. Right now since they're not payment for it, all they should get is a Sample! Yes I like everybody else want the big match ups but I certainly don't blame Haymon one bit for not giving it all away from free within a span of 8 months

[Eff Pandas]

Floyd's cousin dajuan manages most of the tmt stable. he has mickey bey and most of the others. thats why u never hear jack thank al haymon

Fair enough & thanks for the heads up. Updated my info after researching the Badou Jack info more as to not being signed with Haymon. Its seems to be harder to find older boxers info about who's with Haymon & some of the other stuff out there had seemed to indicate that Jack was with Haymon. Now it seems like every few weeks there is a story about a new signing or two with Haymon so its easier to collect info when its clearly defined & a press release basically.

And that is why once his current contracts are up these Networks will have no choice but to buy in to assure that they do get the big fights on their Network. Right now since they're not payment for it, all they should get is a Sample! Yes I like everybody else want the big match ups but I certainly don't blame Haymon one bit for not giving it all away from free within a span of 8 months

Oh man...soooo this. People who talk about PBC negatively don't really look at things from a complete angle usually. They got hangups about this thing or that thing & PBC is the devil because of that particular hangup they have about whatever.

This thing is much more complicated than you think if you think its dead in the water cuz the TV ratings in November of 2015 for FoxSports 1 weren't that great or they aren't making Thurman vs Porter fast enough or that they are throwing some fights on Showtime still & could be throwing fighters or fights on HBO potentially in the future or that a certain fighter loses. This is a bigger concept than all that & won't die or fail for any of those reasons.

Personally I believe PBC lives or dies on two things right now. Or at least arguably does with the first one.

I think the most pending issue is the TR & GBP lawsuits. I think $300M worth of lawsuits being lost could have a dramatic effect on PBC's progress. And not even $-wise cuz Haymon is a resourceful guy. If Haymon is deemed to be doing something illegal via the MAA that could in theory end PBC right in its tracks. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe there is still a way to operate after losing one or both of these lawsuits & needing to reconfigure how it all works, but that remains to be seen & its a big L if Haymon does lose them.

Having said that I think the reality of how the US court system works is that by the time this gets resolved Haymon could already be in the end game of his takeover attempt or have things heavily stacked in his favor. Thus it could be less impactful if it gets decided in 2018 or whatever & maybe if Haymon is doing something in violation of the MAA that he's acknowledged internally & corrected already in 2015 or 2016, so its no longer an issue, Haymon can just fork out $300M & be cool.

The 2nd thing I think thats important with PBC succeeding or failing is exactly what this thread is about. I think Haymon adding more & more elite level fighters to his roster over the next several years is what ultimately wins or loses the day for PBC. If 5 years from now Haymon still has about 29% of the elite level fighters under the PBC umbrella I think he's created a successful bigger TR/GBP promotion-like entity in the business, but it will fall short of being an NBA, NFL or UFC type boxing league of elite fighters as I believe the end goal to be.