toney vs. montell griffen right now

[oldgringo]

I counted power punches over jabs in this round. Toney landed more punches, yes, more jabs. But I thought the better power shots were landed by Griffin. The way I score is like this, yes a fighter wins when he is stalking with a jab, but when the other fighter comes back and lands more power punches, then I think that overrides the moments when the stalking jabber is moving in.

Griffin in the rounds he won, to me, just threw and landed more power shots, whereas Toney while he might have landed some jabs, didn't follow any of them up with anything significant. I don't like a fighter who just mainly jabs. To me, a jab is a tool to get your opponent off balance and out of rhythym so you can land your power shots. When you just use a jab to jab, and then follow that with another jab, that leads to a jab...well then to me, it's not that impressive, especially if your opponent is landing power shots.

Which is why I scored the 3rd and 4th for Toney. I felt he landed the best POWER punches in the rounds, and effectively jabbed in other periods of downtime. He also made Griffin miss and miss wildly in the early going...something that starts to count in close close rounds.

I also thought Toney did the better body work. A lot of which he did not receive credit for. His jabbing upstairs and down, and some of those short uppercuts to the ribcage were pretty effective punches.

[Bozo_no no]

Griffin in the rounds he won, to me, just threw and landed more power shots, whereas Toney while he might have landed some jabs, didn't follow any of them up with anything significant. I don't like a fighter who just mainly jabs. To me, a jab is a tool to get your opponent off balance and out of rhythym so you can land your power shots. When you just use a jab to jab, and then follow that with another jab, that leads to a jab...well then to me, it's not that impressive, especially if your opponent is landing power shots.

This makes no sense, because Griffen was pitty patting.

Toney landed the harder and more significant shots in almost every round.

It would seem to me like you're talking about the first fight, when in reality you're offering some skewed take on the second fight.

If you scored seven rounds for Griffen in that fight you were in La la land.

[mECHsLAVE]

Which is why I scored the 3rd and 4th for Toney. I felt he landed the best POWER punches in the rounds, and effectively jabbed in other periods of downtime. He also made Griffin miss and miss wildly in the early going...something that starts to count in close close rounds.

I also thought Toney did the better body work. A lot of which he did not receive credit for. His jabbing upstairs and down, and some of those short uppercuts to the ribcage were pretty effective punches.

What you are describing is why I gave Toney most of the second half of the fight.

We just totally disagree on those early few rounds. It was mostly jabs landing for Toney and mostly power punches landing for Griffin.

Round 2. Griffin lands that nice left hook several times. Looking at it again, the first exchange Toney lands a right and Griffin lands a left and Toney is knocked back and off balance(2:28). (Toney lands a nice right at 1:50.) Lead hook for Griffin (1:33). Nice left hook from Griffin at 1:15, and Toney tries to come back but those 3 punches don't really land clean. 2 nice punches out of 4 land for Griffin at :36.

Not gonna redo this with every round, just watching the fight again and giving you the time so you can look and see why I gave the round to Griffin. Griffin actually held his own with the jab for most of the round, and landed the cleaner power shots, I thought.

[oldgringo]

What you are describing is why I gave Toney most of the second half of the fight.

We just totally disagree on those early few rounds. It was mostly jabs landing for Toney and mostly power punches landing for Griffin.

Round 2. Griffin lands that nice left hook several times. Looking at it again, the first exchange Toney lands a right and Griffin lands a left and Toney is knocked back and off balance(2:28). (Toney lands a nice right at 1:50.) Lead hook for Griffin (1:33). Nice left hook from Griffin at 1:15, and Toney tries to come back but those 3 punches don't really land clean. 2 nice punches out of 4 land for Griffin at :36.

Not gonna redo this with every round, just watching the fight again and giving you the time so you can look and see why I gave the round to Griffin. Griffin actually held his own with the jab for most of the round, and landed the cleaner power shots, I thought.

Yeah theres no point to break down every round second by second...but just to retort:

Round 2 - Toney and Griffin get into an exachange (2:30), Toney lands a straight left hand that bobs Griffins head back, Griffin lands a left hook to the chest that sends an off-balance Toney backwards, Toney lands a short right as the left hook from Griffin lands. Later Toney lands a nice straight right hand (1:53) that gets Montells attention. Griffin lands little left and then a better left hook (1:15) to return the favor of that Toney right hand. James misses a combo for the most part in return, landing a glancing left hook. Griffin lands a little left and a glancing right, Griffin lands low, Toney lands a good counter right at the end of the round after a Griffin miss and what appears to be a glancing shot.

Toney landed as many or more effective power shots in that round. Grffins shot that sent James off balance really wasn't a big shot...it lands on the chest and JAmes falling back makes it look better than it is. The two shots Toney lands before that, the two straight right hands, and the fact that Toney outjabbed him in the round were enough to seal it for Toney.