toney vs. montell griffen right now

[Bozo_no no]

I have the fight in my possession right now. I could give you a round by round right now if you want.

You must have scored Griffin's punches that landed on Toneys shoulders and stuff huh?

I had it 117-111 Toney. You?

There was no question JT was landing the cleaner harder and more effective shots round in nearly every round.

As much as I thought the decision in the first fight was BS, it was competitive. The 2nd fight wasn't even close.

That's looney tunes to have it scored for Griffen.

[mECHsLAVE]

Well, I do stand corrected. Griffin won the fight, but for some reason I thought he won it bigger. Been awhile since I watched it. 115-113, 7 rounds to 5 for Griffin. The only controversy is figuring out how Lederman scored a couple of those rounds for Toney. Here's the round by round....

[mECHsLAVE]

Toney-Griffin 2-

Round 1- Fairly close round. They both jabbed effectively, and traded jabs several times, with Toney's jab being a little stronger. Griffin however landed the most effective punches in the round, two 3 punch combos. Griffin seemed very relaxed and
fought well moving backwards. In close rounds, many judges give the round to the fighter coming forward. But Griffin edged it out, I think. G 10 T 9 (Lederman scored it for Toney- close round, though).

Round 2- Griffin looks good early, and knocks Toney backwards and off-balance with a short left hook on the inside. More jabbing by both, then Griffin counters a jab with another nice left hook. Toney tries to answer back, more embarassed than hurt by the punch, and misses with 4 straight shots. Griffin is putting more power behind the hook, and misses big with a wild one, but holds on and Toney doesn't make him pay for
it, and Griffin lands another left hook followed by a right. Mills warns Griffin for a body shot on the beltline. Not much from Toney but occasional jabs. Griffin ends the round with a left that missed and a right that lands. Clear round for Griffin. G 10 T 9

Round 3- Mostly trading jabs early. Nothing but jabs from Toney, with Griffin throwing a few combos, mostly missing. Griffin lands a nice three punch combo on Toney about half-way through that moves Toney back. Toney counters over one of Griffin's jabs with a lead right that lands, but Griffin lands a right hand to the chest and Toney stumbles backwards, off balance. Toney moves in and Griffin counters again and Toney is knocked off-balance and falls backwards to the canvas. Mills rules No Knockdown, correctly. Griffin lands a couple of jabs, a left and a right combo. Clear round for Griffin. Toney is clearly bothered by Griffin stepping around his left and it's creating balance problems for him. Toney looked bad that round. (Lederman scored it for Toney- absolutely insane). G 10 T 9

Round 4- Toney comes out more agressive and lands a little right and a double jab. Griffin again moves to Toney's left and lands another left hook, a clear tactic that he is using by design that Toney hasn't figured out how to stop yet. Griffin does the
same thing, and this time lands a left and a right. Toney is moving foward with the jab, but Griffin stands still when he wants to punch and gets the better of him. Griffin throws a left-right-left with only the last left landing clean. Toney lands a two-punch combo to the body that Griffin complains was low. Mills doesn't warn, just says "C'mon, let's go." Both fighters go to the body and Toney ends the exchange with a nice right uppercut that lands flush. Griffin comes right back with a left-right that partially lands. Some pushing and then Griffin misses one lead left hook and doubles it up and lands the second one. Still mostly stalking and jabbing from Toney. Griffin misses with a 3 punch combo before the bell. Griffin more effective throughout, with only jabs and that one right landing from Toney. (Lederman again gives it to Toney, citing "effective aggressivness." They fight must look different from ringside and Lederman is being swayed by Toney's moving forward constantly, when it's actually Griffin controlling the fight and beating Toney with foot-movement and landing far more power punches.) G 10 T 9

Round 5- Toney looks good to start the round and lands a few jabs and two straight rights. He's is finally not allowing Griffin to step to his left and get off. He lands a big right in the middle of the round, and Griffin tries to answer right back but mostly misses. Toney then lands another right. Then he feignts with a straight right and lands a clean left hook. Griffin tries to steal the round in the last 10 seconds with 4 punches, 2 miss 2 land. But Toney still wins the round easily. T 10 G 9

Round 6- Fairly sloppy round with a lot of missed punches and blocked ones. Mostly jabs landing from Toney and Griffin stepping around and landing a couple of right leads. The round is still up for grabs with 30 seconds left and Griffin throws two 3 punch combos, mostly landing, and Toney moves backwards. Mostly misses at the end, with Griffin moving Toney back at the end of the round with a combo that mostly misses. G 10 T 9

Round 7- Standoff jabbing by both to start. More jabbing, a jabbing contest. Griffin steps around behind the jab to land a hard combo to the body. Lands a couple of jabs on Toney, ducks a Toney jab and lands another. Griffin lands a left to the body and clinches. Stays out of Toney's jab range and lands two little lefts to the head and pushes Toney back. Toney comes back with a couple of jabs and a little right to the body. Toney lands a body punch that Griffin thinks is low, and as he turns to complain to Mills then Toney keeps punching and lands a combo. Griffin comes back and lands a jab and a hook and ducks under Toney's wild hook miss. Jab, right by Griffin. Toney
misses with two punches, and Griffin comes back and misses with two of his own and falls off balance and Mills wipes his gloves. Toney lands a combo with a couple seconds left and Griffin comes back with a right and a left just before the bell. Toney's only moment was when Griffin thought he was hit low and complained, Griffin was more consistent throughout and easily landed more power punches. G 10 T 9

*- Mills warns Toney to keep the punches up between rounds.

Round 8- Round starts with a lot of missed jabs again, and Toney lands a right to the body. Griffin misses a combo and lands a jab. Some pushing and weak jabbing by both. Griffin lands a jab and ducks under a Toney right, they clinch and Griffin pushes him off- Mills warns Toney about pushing Griffin's head down. Toney is coming forward, but not landing, just pawing with a weak jab. Both fighters output is low. Toney pushes
him back with 3 quick jabs. Toney counters a Griffin jab with a nice right hand. Griffin lands a jab and Toney counters it again with a right. Double jab by Toney and ducks a Griffin combo attempt. Toney counters with a right, lands, and then eats a Griffin right in return. Some pawing jabs and clinching. Toney's right is blocked. Toney lands a right to the belt and Mills steps between and gives Toney another warning. Some ugly clinch punching to the body by both fighters to end the round.
Toney's counter rights win him the round easily. T 10 G 9

Round 9- Both fighters fight to establish the jab to start, each landing a few. Toney lands a couple of body shots. Griffin lands a 3 punch body combo and ducks out of the way making Toney miss with a left and right. Some jabbing from both. Griffin lands a right to Toney's temple, but not much on it. Some more jabbing and missing by both. Griffin lands a stiff jab that's almost a hook and follows it with another jab. Griffin does the old step around and tries to land 3 left hooks, but only one looks like it lands. Toney counters a weak jab with a big right hand that gets Griffin's attention. Some more sloppy punching and clinching. Griffin lands a double jab at the bell. Toney steals a lackluster round with that big right counter. T 10 G 9 (Lederman givs this round to Griffin!).

Round 10- Toney comes out with a couple quick jabs and Griffin clinches. Griffin lands a hard jab. Some ugly punching on the arms by Griffin. Griffin lands a jab and steps around and Toney turns away. Toney lands a right to the body, a jab and another right to the body. Griffin comes back landing left hook and ducks under a Toney right. Toney lands a right on the belt, and Mills warns him again. Griffin lands a jab and a little hook. Toney lands a right and Griffin returns with a left to the body. Toney lands a couple of left jabs to the body. Griffin moves back and gets hit with a nice stright right by Toney. Griffin misses with a couple and lands a hook. Griffin lets
Toney walk to him and hits him again with the same hook. Close round to Toney, landing the best punch of the round with that nice right. T 10 G 9

Round 11- Griffin starts off by outjabbing Toney twice, the second a hard jab that gets oohs from the crowd. Griffin does the old step around and throws a 3 punch combo, but only 1 lands. Toney lands a clear low blow and Griffin grimaces and turns to Mills and Mills just warns again. Griffin pushes Toney off from a clinch and Mills warns him for that. Double jab and a left land from Griffin and Toney counters with a left that
lands. Some ugly clinch fighting. Griffin lands a little right with not much on it. More clinching. Toney misses with a right, Griffin throws a combo that Toney blocks, and Toney misses with a left. Toney lands a left to the body. Some slap punching and missing to the bell. Very close round that could go either way. Toney's punches seemed a little harder, so I give the round to him. T 10 G 9

Round 12- Some jabbing and clinching and ducking to start. Griffin lands a jab and misses a left hook, and goes off balance in the process, circling around Toney. Misses from both. Two jabs land from Griffin and Toney blocks the body combo attempt.
Griffin lands a couple more jabs and misses with a couple of hooks. Griffin comes forward lands a left hook, misses a right and lands another left hook, knocking Toney backwards off-balance. Griffin throws a combo that is mostly blocked and Toney tries to counter and misses. Ugly round overall, but Toney did next to nothing. Clear round for Griffin. (Lederman scores it for Toney, how? Not sure at all). G 10 T 9


7 rounds to 5 for Griffin, 115-113

[mECHsLAVE]

Notice there are two very close rounds, one I gave to Griffin and one to Toney. So the fight could have been a draw, and I wouldn't argue if you gave both of those rounds to Toney. Most every other round was pretty clear and easy to score, just not for Lederman for some reason.

[oldgringo]

I had it 117-111 Toney. You?

There was no question JT was landing the cleaner harder and more effective shots round in nearly every round.

As much as I thought the decision in the first fight was BS, it was competitive. The 2nd fight wasn't even close.

That's looney tunes to have it scored for Griffen.

116-112 for Toney.

RD1 - Griffin
RD2 - Toney
RD3 - Toney
RD4 - Toney
RD5 - Toney
RD6 - Griffin
RD7 - Toney
RD8 - Toney
RD9 - Griffin
RD10 - Toney
RD11 - Toney
RD12 - Griffin

The final scorecard was a joke...119-109 Griffin? Ahahahahahaha that's so funny because it punctuated the complete screwjob Toney received.

[mECHsLAVE]

116-112 for Toney.

RD1 - Griffin
RD2 - Toney
RD3 - Toney
RD4 - Toney
RD5 - Toney
RD6 - Griffin
RD7 - Toney
RD8 - Toney
RD9 - Griffin
RD10 - Toney
RD11 - Toney
RD12 - Griffin

The final scorecard was a joke...119-109 Griffin? Ahahahahahaha that's so funny because it punctuated the complete screwjob Toney received.

119-109 is an insane score, I agree. You and I mostly disagree with those early rounds. The power punching was all Griffin in those rounds, and I think because he's moving backwards it fools some people, but I thought he clearly won those rounds. Griffin seemed to enjoy moving backwards throughout the fight and picking his spot to stop and land a jab or a left hook.

There's 5 or 6 straight rights that Toney lands over the course of 3 rounds that basically steals the rounds for him later on when Griffin coasts, and the only thing I'm thinking is that that one judge with the crazy card just couldn't see them land, or went strictly by punches landed, and not the harder punches in those rounds.

[Bozo_no no]

Even a draw for Griffen is outright laughable.

It's funny that you say Lederman's score card is out to lunch and then post one that looks like a colaborated effort between Stevie Wonder and Ray Charrles.

That fight was not close. It was clear that Griffen was pitty patting in spots, and that Toney landed the cleaner harder more telling blows through out almost the entire fight.

115-113 Grifffen in the 1st fight is a stretch, but that fight was close.

The second was not.

It was widely considered an outright robbery.

[oldgringo]

Round 7- Standoff jabbing by both to start. More jabbing, a jabbing contest. Griffin steps around behind the jab to land a hard combo to the body. Lands a couple of jabs on Toney, ducks a Toney jab and lands another. Griffin lands a left to the body and clinches. Stays out of Toney's jab range and lands two little lefts to the head and pushes Toney back. Toney comes back with a couple of jabs and a little right to the body. Toney lands a body punch that Griffin thinks is low, and as he turns to complain to Mills then Toney keeps punching and lands a combo. Griffin comes back and lands a jab and a hook and ducks under Toney's wild hook miss. Jab, right by Griffin. Toney
misses with two punches, and Griffin comes back and misses with two of his own and falls off balance and Mills wipes his gloves. Toney lands a combo with a couple seconds left and Griffin comes back with a right and a left just before the bell. Toney's only moment was when Griffin thought he was hit low and complained, Griffin was more consistent throughout and easily landed more power punches. G 10 T 9


This is a round I'd sternly disagree with. Toney was controlling the round up until that point with his jab...moving Griffin back with it and stalking him. Toney landed 36 punches to Griffins 25. I don't see how this could be a Griffin round.

[oldgringo]

119-109 is an insane score, I agree. You and I mostly disagree with those early rounds. The power punching was all Griffin in those rounds, and I think because he's moving backwards it fools some people, but I thought he clearly won those rounds. Griffin seemed to enjoy moving backwards throughout the fight and picking his spot to stop and land a jab or a left hook.

There's 5 or 6 straight rights that Toney lands over the course of 3 rounds that basically steals the rounds for him later on when Griffin coasts, and the only thing I'm thinking is that that one judge with the crazy card just couldn't see them land, or went strictly by punches landed, and not the harder punches in those rounds.

I thought round 3 was a really close round. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with Griffin taking it, but it looked a little better for Griffin because Toney had the balance issues. toney actually landed one of the better punches of the round right before he stumbled back.

[mECHsLAVE]

This is a round I'd sternly disagree with. Toney was controlling the round up until that point with his jab...moving Griffin back with it and stalking him. Toney landed 36 punches to Griffins 25. I don't see how this could be a Griffin round.

I counted power punches over jabs in this round. Toney landed more punches, yes, more jabs. But I thought the better power shots were landed by Griffin. The way I score is like this, yes a fighter wins when he is stalking with a jab, but when the other fighter comes back and lands more power punches, then I think that overrides the moments when the stalking jabber is moving in.

Griffin in the rounds he won, to me, just threw and landed more power shots, whereas Toney while he might have landed some jabs, didn't follow any of them up with anything significant. I don't like a fighter who just mainly jabs. To me, a jab is a tool to get your opponent off balance and out of rhythym so you can land your power shots. When you just use a jab to jab, and then follow that with another jab, that leads to a jab...well then to me, it's not that impressive, especially if your opponent is landing power shots.