Comments Thread For: Roach Admits: Floyd Mayweather is King of This Era

[aboutfkntime]

Of course rjj is, but I keep thinking rjj is the ERa before Floyd. BH is of course better than Floyd as well.
The PAC that was steamrolling everyone is greater as well. The PAC senior didn't want his dson to figjht

[Drunken Cat]

Do you base "risk taking" on whether a guy is the underdog or not? Because if so, you're being very unfair to guys like Floyd and Roy. And maybe giving too much credit to guys like Hopkins and even Manny. Floyd and Roy were decorated amateurs that were EXPECTED to be great. Hopkins kinda came outta nowhere. I don't know if Floyd was an underdog in his entire career. Maybe Hernandez or Chico. But to me that's a very unfair criteria to base "risk taking" on. Even now, at nearly 40, Floyd would have tp fight the best middleweight on the planet to be considered an underdog. At the end of his run, as a former middleweight and small light heavyweight, Roy would have been favored to beat most of the top 10 heavyweights back then. So was anything short of fighting Lennox Lewis a cherrypick?

A great effort at changing the subject and purporting various things as if I did not already know them!

E for effort.

[TrueBoxingFan23]

What are you basing your opinion on? I've always seen Floyd as kinda a crossbred between Roy and Hopkins anyway. Roy had freakish talent. Hopkins didn't, but he was a master and prefected his craft. Floyd was Roy physically. But, if Roy was a 10, Floyd was at worst an 8. And he combined that with the same, if not better skill set that Hopkins had.

Is it accomplishment? All three were on top for a ridiculously long time. Hopkins just took it to a freakish level. Floyd won totles in more divisions than both. Although they're bigger than Floyd and the weight jump was more difficult.

I'm not knocking you. Because all-time don't mean all that much to me. I've never sat down and made one. And personally, I don't even think they're relevant. But strictly water cooler talk. I don't see too many logical points that can be made to say Roy and Nard were better than Floyd. Floyd accompliahed more. Plus, the eye test tells me every time I pull up an old fight that he was just a better, more complete fighter than them bpth.

Dude you must have read my reply post to him. This is exactly what I said. Thing is he keeps saying it's his opinion which it is. I was just asking him to back his opinion up with logic. Don't know if he a hater but sound like a fan boy to me

[aboutfkntime]

That's easy to say in hindsight

Pavlik had just brutally knocked out the guy that Hopkins went tooth and nail with twice

F uck style and catchweight we all expected Kelly to carry that power up and be able to hurt Hopkins

It was a risky fight for Hopkins to take

Now in hindsight after Bernard defeated the monster that was Pavlik we can all say it was a cherrypick

Fck outta here

You are right.

Pavlik was de-fanged after that fight.

[TrueBoxingFan23]

Now when you say "I don't see how you can give respect if you're a true boxing fan" what do you mean by that? Are you saying that Floyd isn't getting enough respect or his generation isn't given enough respect?

Floyd is a master. He was the total package but to me his competition wasn't as great as other's had in the past.

Don't get me wrong there were a lot of boxers who had great talent in his generation but very few came close to maxing out there abilities.

I meant to say I don't see how you can't give Floyd respect. It was a typo

[TrueBoxingFan23]

I agree with you, that such kind of ATG talk is actually quite pointless.

I think Floyd is probably the best 130 pounder of all time.

He had an incredible run.

Perhaps I rate Hopkins and Jones higher because I perceive them as having taken more risks.

To me, an undefeated record doesn't mean a lot. I prefer to see a fighter test himself.

Floyd did test himself at times. But a lot of his career was carefully managed.

That is just the nature of the business, and he did a good job making a lot of money.

But, I think Jones was more dominant, and that Hopkins tested himself more.

It is true though that ATG lists are basically meaningless.

I agree with your assessment, if I'm reading it right, that Jones was probably the one with the most natural talent among the three; Hopkins is a consummate professional. (Though Hopkins has plenty of natural talent.)

Floyd is a great fighter. But I don't rate him above Hopkins and Jones, if I must make an ATG list.

I could be off my rocker or a little bit biased, but that's how I have it.

I never thought Floyd tested himself much after moving up from 130. He just took the most convenient fights.

His fight with Gatti was the beginning of 'Money Mayweather'.

Gatti was big for his action style, and Floyd knew he had the antidote.

His match making was strictly business decisions from then on.

What risk didn't he take though? I'm not getting it. Floyd was so masterful that he would be favorite against anyone in the division. He is already a small welter. Every fighter he fought was bigger than him at welter except Hatton and Marquez and Pac. He took risk just by fighting at welter! If he did what everyone else did, he would would have stayed fighting at 135 or 140 like every other boxer

[hitking]

I agree with most, but if you do your research, when Floyd was with top rank Bob wanted to set up a fight with Margarito. Floyd wanted the fight for a amount of money and wanted a fight where the winner was to fight Cotto. Bob said no to the Cotto fight or the purses. This is coming from Bobs mouth and was posted on boxingscene

I don't remember Floyd "wanting" to fight Margarito. To be honest, Margarito has always been a non-factor in the Floyd Mayweather story IMO. Dude was always coming off loses. When he started gaining steam, he'd beaten no one and was more of an Arum creation than anything else. And ehen he finally got his big win against Cotto, he proceedef to do what he always does. And that's get his ass kicked by Shane Mosley, who Floyd fought.

I don't solely blame Floyd for the Cotto fight not happening sooner. Floyd wanted to fight Cotto at 140. Arum said Cotto was "too green", which he was. But I thought that was hypocritical considering Arum had no problem promoting Cotto as a world champion at the very same time. I just thought Floyd should have fought Cotto after Hatton instead of walking away. I didn't have a problem with him for fighting Oscar. Thst was the money fight. I didn't have a problem with him fighting Hatton. Who at the time was a bigger draw than Cotto and still a very good fighter. But after he got done with the business fights. I feel he should have given the actual fight fans what we wanted. Hardcore fans didn't care about DLH. Hardcore weren't overly excited about Hatton. The biggest threat to Floyd according to fight fans was Cotto, and Floyd walked away. Doesn't make him the worst guy in the world. If Floyd's career is a beautiful painting. IMO the situation I'm speaking of is merely a small smudge in the corner.

[MC Hammer]

I'll have to check but I'm pretty sure he fought at 154 before fighting PAC.

It would've had to be the only one, because he got KO'd by Shane, got suspended in the states, fought in Tijuana or someplace like that, then fought Pac.

[Tedkidlewis]

Mayweather had the skills that pay the bills.

[hitking]

A great effort at changing the subject and purporting various things as if I did not already know them!

E for effort.

What subject did I change? You say you rate Roy and Nard higher because they took more risks. I disagree. I've laid my reasons for disagreeing on the table. I'm just trying to get an understanding as to what your definition of taking a risk is.