Final PBC on NBC ratings (Figueroa-DeMarco): 1.817M average

[El-blanco]

Dr Rumack -

And if Haymon has $100 million a year guaranteed to pay for fights and HBO only has $30 million (or less, or possibly even out of the business entirely), what is going to stop Haymon from paying less for fights?



El Blanco -

You clearly don't understand what Haymon is doing because according to you, he hasn't proven anything other than that he can spend money. Completely ignoring the fact that he's proven that millions of people will tune in to watch boxing on network TV.

Haymon was surviving just fine when HBO was paying $30 million and most of it was going to his fighters, yet you don't think he can find a way to make $100 million work? Once he gets that TV contract, he has all of the power.

He's over paying for fighters NOW, he's over paying for *everything* NOW, but once the pieces fall into place, he has all of the leverage and can pay whatever the hell he wants.

You really think I don't understand that revenue has to be higher than costs? How many businesses do you own? I own several.

What is your business experience? You say I should get over myself, yet you seem completely ignorant to what is really going on.

Haymon is paying HBO level money to his top fighters RIGHT NOW so he can keep them, but once he lands a major TV deal, he has all of the power and all of the leverage. He's trying to change every aspect of the economics of boxing. The system was broken. We all knew it. But nobody was willing to do anything about it.

So if PBC fighters are getting 250k to headline on Fox in a few years like a UFC fighter would, there will be a few guys who would have been making a million in the old model that won't be happy, but what about the guys that would have been making 20k on ESPN2? They'll be thrilled.

You're the only one failing to grasp any concepts here and on top of it, you refuse to tell us how many TV execs you know or how much experience you have working in TV. I'm going to assume you're also going to refuse to tell us how many businesses you own and what your experience is.

This is the problem with the internet. It's a bunch of nerds in their parent's basement pretending to be experts about things they know absolutely nothing about.

Meanwhile, Al Haymon, a Harvard grad, one of the most successful music promoters in history, the most successful boxing manager in history, a millionaire many times over beyond your wildest dreams . . . you thin HE doesn't know what he's doing but that you do?

Reality check. If you don't understand his end game, he's not the fool, you are.

Are you really this ****in ******? You just repeated what we've been saying regarding the pay structure. You're the one who just now understood and agreed with we were saying. You're exhausting man. I work for a residential real estate developer. I think I have a pretty good idea of how a budget works and how money is made considering I see all of their finances. You think you're some advanced mind because you sell ****ty t-shirts off some cheap website? Lol go away

[Anton Chigurh]

But it doesn't matter what is "better." What matters is if PBC can prove by the end of 2017 that they can deliver ratings worth paying for. If PBC can deliver millions of viewers on network TV or basic cable, Disney, Universal, Viacom and/or Fox will be interested in gaining the exclusive rights. Period. Regardless of how many people watch boxing on HBO.

I know it's easy to sit behind a screen and hurl insults and if you're unsatisfied with your life, maybe it makes you feel better in some way. I can assure you that I'm not a "F**kin' ******," but if you truly believed that, you would be VERY EAGER to accept the following offer:

Each of us can put $10,000 in escrow. Each of us can take IQ tests. Whoever scores the highest keeps all of the cash. I must warn you I've been tested many times. I've always scored between 155-172. Which qualifies as "genius." I went to college when I was 11 years old. I made my first million by 19.

But, if you truly believe what you wrote, I think you should put your money where your mouth is. After all, if I'm just a "F**kin' ******," this should be EASY money for you. You must be doing backflips right now with excitement. PM me so we can make arrangements ASAP. Thanks.

F**kin' ******.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Sucks the ratings weren't higher. Good fights.

Sadly this will be overlooked by the NSB ratings police.

[Dr Rumack]

Dr Rumack -

And if Haymon has $100 million a year guaranteed to pay for fights and HBO only has $30 million (or less, or possibly even out of the business entirely), what is going to stop Haymon from paying less for fights?

That’s what I said at the beginning of my initial reply to you - http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=37

At the very least Haymon needs HBO to temporarily withdraw from the market, because he will not be able to drop his purses to affordable levels without losing his talent to a rival premium network. As we know already, Haymon’s current outlay is unsustainable. But that outlay is what has given him his stable and is what keeps fighters loyal to him. When the outlay disappears, the loyalty disappears too.

This is the riddle that as yet I have not seen an answer for. The suggestion that HBO are dying seems questionable given the facts I listed here – http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=33

Their ratings are fine, and they are working with most of the sport’s top fighters. There is an unsubstantiated assumption at the core of the more optimistic interpretations of the PBC model that states HBO’s morale is crumbling and they are on the verge of full-on retreat. I have yet to see anything that truly substantiates this assumption. There have been articles written about HBO pulling out of boxing since the middle of the past decade. But lo and behold they’re still there and they are still working with the best P4P fighters in the sport.

In any case, the more I think about it the less sure I am that’s even the real issue regarding PBC and the premium networks. The real issue is that the threat of premium network money can never be removed as long as the premium networks exist. Because Haymon, as you’ve rightly pointed out, needs to start paying a lot less for fighters at some point in the future.
So ultimately it boils down to this this:

1. How much longer can Haymon afford to haemorrhage money as he does with the current model?

2. Does a Fox-UFC type deal work if the premium networks are still paying for boxing?

3. Is a Fox-UFC type deal even sustainable in boxing, given that the Premium Networks will always be able to offer fighters more money for broadcasting their events?

The twisted irony is that the more popular boxing becomes the more incentive there is for the premium networks to take the sport behind a paywall again. With enough ratings growth it's possible that Haymon could entrench his position by tying fighters into long term contracts that limits their mobility. But I don't think that would be so easy in practice. The long term viability of a basic cable boxing programme just seems forever uncertain. Just like in the UK, there seems to be some fundamental economic forces working in opposition to it.

[BrometheusBob.]

That's higher than I would have guessed, even for NBC