Comments Thread For: Golden Boy VP on Canelo's Return, Facing Golovkin

[OnePunch]

4 welterweights? Lara is a welterweight? Trout is a welterweight? Cotto is welterweight? What are you talking about. Those are all legit world champs at 154. Lara and Trout are huge Jr Middleweights with many fights at Middleweight, Lara is planning to move up to Middleweight and Trout's last 3 fights have been at Middleweight. Lara started his career at middleweight and Trout's first 7 pro fights were at Middleweight. Cotto hasn't fought at welterweight in over half a decade. None of these guys are welterweights. Only one is Floyd and lets be serious he's a welterweight but he would beat anyone GGG has faced and beats GGG as well.

Canelo has not yet fought a top middleweight (I don't count Cotto as a real middleweight) but he as already beaten a higher caliber of fighters overall. That's not even a debate. He's fought multiple hall of famers, multiple top 10 p4p ranked fighters at the time he faced them. Like 8 former world champs. And is now competing in his 3rd weight class in 5 years (people forget Canelo was a welterweight as early as 2010), won titles in 2 of those weight classes. Go ahead and now list GGG's credentials? I'll give you hint he can't match Canelo in any of those categories. Why has GGG refused to move from 160 to secure a big fight? GGG started his pro career in 2006 at 160. And he has not moved since. Cotto/Canelo/Floyd/Manny ect all have moved up and down multiple weight classes for big fights. All have a bigger fanbase but GGG can't do this?

Of course GGG would be Canelo's biggest fight. The problem is Canelo doesn't need GGG and can get other big fights where as GGG can't. GGG can't make the money or draw the TV viewers and PPVs that Canelo can draw fighting other fighters NOT named GGG. That's why he has no leverage here. If the fight doesn't happen it hurts GGG more then Canelo. Canelo has already fought better fighters. You sound dumb saying Floyd, Trout, Lara, Cotto none of them could beat top Middleweights? Geale is one of the best wins on GGG's entire resume. And Cotto moved up and beat him easily. You don't think Floyd, Lara, Cotto couldn't beat a lot of the same names on GGG's resume? Just stop. GGG has accomplished more at Middleweight no denying that. But Canelo has accomplished more in BOXING then GGG despite only being 25. Some of that is due to the middleweight division being weak, some of it is because other guys have ducked GGG but some of that is also because GGG refused to go down to 154 and challenge the bigger named fighters or refused to go up to 168 and challenge those bigger named guys. None of this means GGG won't beat Canelo if they fight. But it does mean Canelo's resume is stronger then GGG's and his fanbase is without question bigger so he can move on and dump the belt if needed and still be sitting pretty. GGG loses out on this fight and where does that leave him? Fans questioning his level of competition and doors shut for big fights.

now thats just a ****** premise. Canelo turned pro at FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. No **** he moved up a few times, thats what happens between 15 and 24. You GROW. And also Canelo moved up because he couldnt make the lower weights anymore, NOT because he just wanted to "challenge" himself.

You can make the argument that Canelo has the better resume without having to pull the "ggg didnt move up" card. You're a better poster than that......

[MrRolltide91]

Let it marinate

[bigdunny1]

now thats just a ****** premise. Canelo turned pro at FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. No **** he moved up a few times, thats what happens between 15 and 24. You GROW. And also Canelo moved up because he couldnt make the lower weights anymore, NOT because he just wanted to "challenge" himself.

You can make the argument that Canelo has the better resume without having to pull the "ggg didnt move up" card. You're a better poster than that......

That's why I started it at 2010 for canelo at age 20 was a welterweight. If I started when he turned pro at a teen he's been through more then 3 weight classes. GGG staying at 160 a decade is valid. Canelo just in his 20s has gone up 3 weight classes. GGG can't get big fights? then go up or down to better weight classes to make fights. Canelo and many other fighters have done it.

I think that's a fair request. Canelo went down in weight to challenge himself against Floyd did he not?

[OnePunch]

That's why I started it at 2010 for canelo at age 20 was a welterweight. If I started when he turned pro at a teen he's been through more then 3 weight classes. GGG staying at 160 a decade is valid. Canelo just in his 20s has gone up 3 weight classes. GGG can't get big fights? then up or down to better weight classes to make fights. Canelo and many other fighters have done it

He turned pro at 140 at age 15. After 6 fights against scrubs within a year he went to 147. In 2010 he "sort of" went up to 154, having a few "caneloweight" fights at 151, 152, etc. And his last 4 fights have all been at 155, whatever the **** division that is.

So lets not act like he cleaned out 4 divisions or anything.

140 - 6 slobs at 15 years old
147 - mediocre run - no top 10 wins -only won NABF belt, and WBC Youth title
154 - good wins against Cintron, Mosley, Trout, and Lara. Loss to Floyd
155 - good win against cotto.


And one other thing. Canelo is basically the age right now that GGG turned pro at. How many more divisions to you think canelo moves up to? If he goes from 155, to 156.5, to 157, to 159, it will be 2018 before he even gets to 160

[icha]

He turned pro at 140 at age 15. After 6 fights against scrubs

lol, miguel vazquez is a scrub now? , dude is more skilled than anyone on ggg's resume...
a ggg fan trying to downplay canelos opposition...

[OnePunch]

lol, miguel vazquez is a scrub now? , dude is more skilled than anyone on ggg's resume...
a ggg fan trying to downplay canelos opposition...

it was his pro debut. dont be ******.

[bigdunny1]

Never said he cleaned out those divisions by THE WAY GGG been at 160 a decade and hasn't done that. I said canelo has gone up and down weight to make big fights. GGG has stayed at a weak division and complains about not getting big fights. While all the big names are above or below him. So move up or down and make those fight

[icha]

it was his pro debut. dont be ******.

does that make him a scrub??
it was canelos 3rd fight as a pro, and he was fighting a highly skilled fighter that was 4 years older than him, when you are 15yo and fighting a 19yo the age can really make a difference...
definitely not a scrubb...

[OnePunch]

does that make him a scrub??
it was canelos 3rd fight as a pro, and he was fighting a highly skilled fighter that was 4 years older than him, when you are 15yo and fighting a 19yo the age can really make a difference...
definitely not a scrubb...

a 4 round split decision says nothing about either guy.

But what is interesting is that the fight took place at 140. Since then Vazquez not only hasnt gone UP, he actually went DOWN to 135 and has stayed there ever since. I suppose you look down on him for never moving up?

[icha]

a 4 round split decision says nothing about either guy.

But what is interesting is that the fight took place at 140. Since then Vazquez not only hasnt gone UP, he actually went DOWN to 135 and has stayed there ever since. I suppose you look down on him for never moving up?

i dont debate that, that wasnt a championship fight, it was too skilled prospects going at each other, not a scrub...

and about moving up or down, i think you got the wrong guy... i dont see anything wrong if ggg moves down to 154, i actually believe both ggg and canelo will find better opposition at 154 than at 160, after they fight each other...