Comments Thread For: Golden Boy VP on Canelo's Return, Facing Golovkin

[bigdunny1]

a 4 round split decision says nothing about either guy.

But what is interesting is that the fight took place at 140. Since then Vazquez not only hasnt gone UP, he actually went DOWN to 135 and has stayed there ever since. I suppose you look down on him for never moving up?

Vazquez is no bum and he fought at 140 or higher for the next 4 plus years after he fought canelo. Canelo beat him not once but twice second was a 10 round fight. Canelo has fought much better competition and again you keep ignoring that not only has he gone up in weight canelo went down in weight to fight floyd. GGG can do the same to get better fights. Instead he stayed in his little bubble at 160 for a decade fighting mediocre competition. How is that not a fair criticism of GGG?

[OnePunch]

i dont debate that, that wasnt a championship fight, it was too skilled prospects going at each other, not a scrub...

and about moving up or down, i think you got the wrong guy... i dont see anything wrong if ggg moves down to 154, i actually believe both ggg and canelo will find better opposition at 154 than at 160, after they fight each other...

"scrub" in that context is a relative term. I glanced at his record and saw the typical 0-1, 0-1, debut, 3-5 type opponents that most every fighter faces in the beginning.

I am just tired of the ******ed debate where "moving up" is the end-all, be-all. Every fighters biology is different, and theres a big difference between guys who turned pro in their teens vs guys who turned pro in their mid 20s. But all we hear is "didnt move up doe", as if that means anything absent the proper context. The clown Broner moved up 3 times, and the only top 5 fighter he beat in ANY division was Demarco. Should that get more respect than a fighter who has dominated a single division?

[OnePunch]

Vazquez is no bum and he fought at 140 or higher for the next 4 plus years after he fought canelo. Canelo beat him not once but twice second was a 10 round fight. Canelo has fought much better competition and again you keep ignoring that not only has he gone up in weight canelo went down in weight to fight floyd. GGG can do the same to get better fights. Instead he stayed in his little bubble at 160 for a decade fighting mediocre competition. How is that not a fair criticism of GGG?

you can make that claim all you want but there is no evidence to back it up. Neither Cotto nor Canelo are/were willing to fight GGG at 155, or ANY weight. Canelo MIGHT do it in Sept, but we dont know that yet.

So please enlighten me as to what significant fight GGG could realistically moved down for?

[-PBP-]

Mayweather-Pacquiao have everyone a blueprint on how to slowly build fights and make the most money.

Everybody is using that as an example to let fights marinate. And we can't be mad at that because it's boxing fans fault that fight was a mega hit despite being 6 years late.

[bigdunny1]

you can make that claim all you want but there is no evidence to back it up. Neither Cotto nor Canelo are/were willing to fight GGG at 155, or ANY weight. Canelo MIGHT do it in Sept, but we dont know that yet.

So please enlighten me as to what significant fight GGG could realistically moved down for?

Ward wanted to fight him and we'll never know what other fights could of happened because GGG never moved up or down from 160. If GGG agrees to 155 you know damn well canelo fights him. Cotto? I agree and I have killed Cotto because it's clear he was never fighting him period. But Lara would fight him at 155 and I'm sure many other names at 154 would. And I'm sure many guys at 168 would of fought him. Again some of the reason he hasn't faced any big names 1. is the division was weak, 2. some guys at 160 ducked him but the 3rd reason is he refused to move up or down in weight. You want to act like him staying put while bigger names were at 154 and 168 is not a factor at all

[OnePunch]

Ward wanted to fight him and we'll never know what other fights could of happened because GGG never moved up or down from 160. If GGG agrees to 155 you know damn well canelo fights him. Cotto? I agree and I have killed Cotto because it's clear he was never fighting him period. But Lara would fight him at 155 and I'm sure many other names at 154 would. And I'm sure many guys at 168 would of fought him. Again some of the reason he hasn't faced any big names 1. is the division was weak, 2. some guys at 160 ducked him but the 3rd reason is he refused to move up or down in weight. You want to act like him staying put while bigger names were at 154 and 168 is not a factor at all

Ward wanted a fight next year that would have required GGG to lose his belts. That was a non-starter from the get-go. And who knows if Ward can even make 168 anymore? He hasnt in over 2 years.

And unless you are Canelo himself, you dont know he would fight ggg at 155 right now or not. Im guessing not, or the fight would be happeneing on May 7. And Lara? Jesus christ man, why would GGG move down to fight a nobody like Lara, when the fight cant even happen because of HBO-Haymon? Do you get dumber as the day goes on or something?

[Shadoww702]

"scrub" in that context is a relative term. I glanced at his record and saw the typical 0-1, 0-1, debut, 3-5 type opponents that most every fighter faces in the beginning.

I am just tired of the ******ed debate where "moving up" is the end-all, be-all. Every fighters biology is different, and theres a big difference between guys who turned pro in their teens vs guys who turned pro in their mid 20s. But all we hear is "didnt move up doe", as if that means anything absent the proper context. The clown Broner moved up 3 times, and the only top 5 fighter he beat in ANY division was Demarco. Should that get more respect than a fighter who has dominated a single division?

Probably! BEcause he probably would of dominated those shtyier divisions as well and STILL be undefeated. I've seen boxers start out at one class KO'ing ppl and when they go up a few divisions they turn into Paulie Mag.

Come on did you really just say that sht??? If GGG goes up two classes I'll bet you $4$ that fools won't be getting ko'd as easy if some at all.

[Shadoww702]

you can make that claim all you want but there is no evidence to back it up. Neither Cotto nor Canelo are/were willing to fight GGG at 155, or ANY weight. Canelo MIGHT do it in Sept, but we dont know that yet.

So please enlighten me as to what significant fight GGG could realistically moved down for?

Unlike GGG I yet to see Canelo lie. GGG is a PATHOLOGICAL liar... So I believe Canelo over GGG as of now.

[OnePunch]

Probably! BEcause he probably would of dominated those shtyier divisions as well and STILL be undefeated. I've seen boxers start out at one class KO'ing ppl and when they go up a few divisions they turn into Paulie Mag.

Come on did you really just say that sht??? If GGG goes up two classes I'll bet you $4$ that fools won't be getting ko'd as easy if some at all.

I doubt Broner would have "dominated" those lighter divisions, considering he went life and death with Ponce, and alot of folks even think Ponce beat him, and Ponce certainly wasnt top 5

To suggest Broner could have dominated those divisions is nothing but speculation

[OnePunch]

Unlike GGG I yet to see Canelo lie. GGG is a PATHOLOGICAL liar... So I believe Canelo over GGG as of now.

who gives a **** ass what YOU believe? lol