Is it Time To Re-Assess Joe Frazier’s Greatness?

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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Is it Time To Re-Assess Joe Frazier’s Greatness?

    When the news was confirmed from the horse’s mouth that Smokin’ Joe Frazier had fought through his magnificent professional career while legally blind in one eye, the reaction of all and sundry was intriguing. There was the initial rush of sympathy and admiration and the promises of many to study their all-time heavyweight choices and maybe bump Joe up a couple of notches.

    Then there was nothing. In the articles and essays on Joe Frazier I have seen since, there has been little if any mention of the considerable handicap under which Joe laboured in punching his way to the top and remaining a major league player for some seven or eight years. Let us remember that he did so in the company of some of the toughest heavyweights of any era.

    Along with Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier is the guy who plays havoc with the minds of traditionalists and revisionists alike whenever they shuffle their all-time rankings. In general, Joe and Rocky are generally found bouncing around anywhere between tenth and fifteenth in the current climate, as cases are made for other fighters who suddenly become cool or trendy. Sonny Liston has been re-classified as the flawless and invincible killer he never was. Jersey Joe Walcott, a fine old ring mechanic who finally had his hour in the sun after dropping the ball several times, is lately revered as a brilliant old ring mechanic, albeit just plain old when he appears in Marciano’s portfolio. [details]
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    Great article and Great tribute to a great fighter. Joe Frazier most assuredly doest deserve to be in the top ten.

    I will say though, on a minor note...forgive me...Foreman was 37-0 when he met Joe, not 28-0.

    Great read and worthy of his Smokeness.

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    • mike casey
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      Hey, K-Dogg, darn nice to hear from you again.

      I stand corrected on Big George's record. That'll teach me to drink Guinness and write at the same time!!

      All the best, champ.

      Mike

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      • K-DOGG
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        Originally posted by mike casey
        Hey, K-Dogg, darn nice to hear from you again.

        I stand corrected on Big George's record. That'll teach me to drink Guinness and write at the same time!!

        All the best, champ.

        Mike
        Same to you, bud. It's always good to read your material....and I've done the same thing (guinness); but the rest of the piece made up for an out of character snaffuu. Great Read.

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        • Hous
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          Frazier was an amzaing boxer, but shouldn't be bumped up a few notches in the greatest boxers of all time because he was legally blind in one eye. Boxing isnt about giving people with disabilities handicaps. I would bet you anything Frazier would agree. Very impressive nonetheless.

          Marciano is normally placed between 2 - 9 not 10 - 15.

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          • Southpaw Stinger
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            The only guys who beat Frazier were Ali and Foreman. He also beat Ali once and gave Ali a close fight both other times as well. He did get flattened by Foreman but styles make fights.

            He was in the greatest era of heavyweight boxing and he became undisputed champ. He was a small heavyweight who was blind in one eye and yet he still beat up on guys a lot bigger than him. He was a great fighter definatly in the top 10.

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              Hey, I confess I didn't even know about the legally blind thing and this is my top ten list.

              1. Muhammad Ali
              2. Joe Louis
              3. Larry Holmes
              4. Jack Johnson
              5. Jack Dempsey
              6. Mike Tyson
              7. Lennox Lewis
              8. Rocky Marciano
              9. Joe Frazier
              10. George Foreman


              My list is based on the accomplishments while champion, on the way to the championship, dominance of championship reign or during era around reign, historical acievements, quality of copetition, and impact on the sport as a whole.

              It's more of a soup of qualifications than a list; but Joe more than fits the bill....with or without one bad eye.

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              • mike casey
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                Hous, if you're the guy in that picture, I agree with every damn word you say!!

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                • hemichromis
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                  i dont think he needs to be reassessed he is easily in my top ten and if he had fought at anyother time in history he would have kicked ass

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                    Originally posted by K-DOGG
                    Hey, I confess I didn't even know about the legally blind thing and this is my top ten list.

                    1. Muhammad Ali
                    2. Joe Louis
                    3. Larry Holmes
                    4. Jack Johnson
                    5. Jack Dempsey
                    6. Mike Tyson
                    7. Lennox Lewis
                    8. Rocky Marciano
                    9. Joe Frazier
                    10. George Foreman


                    My list is based on the accomplishments while champion, on the way to the championship, dominance of championship reign or during era around reign, historical acievements, quality of copetition, and impact on the sport as a whole.

                    It's more of a soup of qualifications than a list; but Joe more than fits the bill....with or without one bad eye.
                    its tough for me to have fraizer above foreman, seeing as the absolute thrashing he recieved both times. not only that, foreman came back again and was champ in his 40's!

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