Why do certain posters want PBC to fail and get happy if they have low numbers?

[285Kid]

The crazy thing is you can't only blame the PBC for mismatches , Boxing in the last 10 year had been nothing but 97% mismatches on tv

[Larry the boss]

I'll chime in.

I have several problems with Haymons operation. And the intellectually challenged with try and dumb it down to being about Floyd, or being about race, because thats as far as they are able to take a conversation. But I'll try anyways.....

1. Despite having without question the deepest stable in boxing, Haymon "marinates" at a level Arum could only dream of. So far, I can count 3 TRULY meaningful fights that PBC made on their own, not because of a mandatory or whatever. 1. Mares-Santa Cruz 2. Porter-Broner (even with the catchweight, this was a meaningful fight) and 3. Jacobs-Quillin. Sure, a few mandos turned out great, and a few fights that were thought to be garbage turned out great also, but with as much talent as he has at his fingertips, I've been disappointed with the matchmaking. And I know this is an arguable point. There is no right or wrong, this is just my opinion.

2. Haymon is openly violating the Ali Act. This is not disputable. Whether or not the Justice Dept gives a **** is another matter. But its not even debatable. FACT: The Ali Act prohibits a manager from having a financial interest in the promotion of a fighter. FACT: Haymon is a licensed manager, in multiple states. FACT: He pay promoters a flat fee to coordinate his events, and he controls all revenue streams. FACT: That means he has a financial interest in the promotion of a fighter.

3. A manager has a fiduciary duty to the fighter, so as a manager, it is impossible to fairly represent both sides of a fight. Everything negotiated for fighter A (purse, weight, gloves, venue, etc) comes at the expense of fighter B. Their interests are opposed. You cannot be properly represented by a manager who has the exact same obligations to your opponent. Even people on this forum are pointing out the Porter issue, and how he's 3rd or 4th on Al's list of favorite welterweights. Think about it. In a messy divorce, would you want your wife's lawyer representing you also?

4. Monopolies are never a good thing. If you would not be comfortable with Oscar or Bob "running" boxing, then you cant be comfortable with Al running it either. Do we really want boxing to become a UFC type entity, with Al playing the role of Dana White?

5. His inflated pay scale although GREAT for the fighters in the short term, is not sustainable and affects the marketplace in ways that will prevent certain fights from happening. For example Jacobs just got $1.5 to fight Quilliin, did 8500 tickets even with an all-NY undercard, and 365k peak viewers. What would he expect for a GGG fight, or a Canelo fight? $3 million? $5 million? Its not happening. Thurman has been getting well over a million for the Zavecks and Collazos. Whats the Porter fight going to cost? Or a Khan fight? And believe me I love to see the fighters get every dime they can, but the market at least has to be based somewhat in reality.

6. I wont get in to the anti-trust and Sherman Act stuff, because its "inside baseball" and boring to most people.

There are a few more things, like the dartboard scheduling, and other more minor issues, but this is a good start to the conversation........

Dude im a boxing fan..i dont give a s1ht about no Ali or Sherman act...his fighters are not complaining and i get more boxing throughout my week...what are you even talking about?? how does any of this affect you as a fan?

HBO and Sho also have crap fights. Its worse on PBC. And HBO and Sho frequently have an excuse, like network conflict for their worse fights. PBC is all Haymon. He has the control to make good fights yet almost never makes his top fighters face each other.

HBO and Sho are way better. Always making plans for the top fighters to face each other, like Ward Kov, Stevenson Kov. PBC is just a bunch of garbage. Wasted opportunity.

Ok so you can watch boxing on HBO,Showtime and on regular tv..whats the complaint?

Yea, there's some weird fkers around here. I consider myself a hardcore boxing fan but if I root for anyone, it's a fighter. Rooting for or against promoters, networks, etc is too damn geeky for me.

Exactly,its ****ing weird

[Eff Pandas]

4. Monopolies are never a good thing. If you would not be comfortable with Oscar or Bob "running" boxing, then you cant be comfortable with Al running it either. Do we really want boxing to become a UFC type entity, with Al playing the role of Dana White?

You don't think monopolies are good in professional sports? You don't think nearly every pro sport would suffer quality wise if you split up the top 100 or so athletes among 2, 3 or 4 different groups that never or only rarely crossed boundaries?

[Larry the boss]

The crazy thing is you can't only blame the PBC for mismatches , Boxing in the last 10 year had been nothing but 97% mismatches on tv

I agree you get a few great or good fights in between but most of the time its showcase fights...so whats really the agenda?

[Eff Pandas]

The crazy thing is you can't only blame the PBC for mismatches , Boxing in the last 10 year had been nothing but 97% mismatches on tv

Oh **** logic. ****** momos worst enemy, logic, has arrived.

[Dr Rumack]

Dude im a boxing fan..i dont give a s1ht about no Ali or Sherman act...his fighters are not complaining and i get more boxing throughout my week...what are you even talking about?? how does any of this affect you as a fan?

Are you really pretending that you can't understand why a fan would care about the health of the sport?

[Larry the boss]

There's a PBC event on right now, but you don't see any of these PBC fanboys in the thread.

Yet they quick to tell us why we should support it because it's "boxing on free tv" yo!

These dudes still can't admit the truth, they just want us to watch because PBC is run by a black man. But they don't even watch it!

Haha

Im switching between the fights and the basketball game right now..and dude chillout on all your race baiting

[Eff Pandas]

There's a PBC event on right now, but you don't see any of these PBC fanboys in the thread.

You always say this like it means something. 1)First off I'm no blow by blow guy & 2)When I'm watching fights I'm not checking out the thread for it. If you see me in a RBR thread that usually means I'm NOT watching it or sometimes if its a huge fight I'll be in the RBR thread for it.

[OnePunch]

Dude im a boxing fan..i dont give a s1ht about no Ali or Sherman act...his fighters are not complaining and i get more boxing throughout my week...what are you even talking about?? how does any of this affect you as a fan?

Ok so you can watch boxing on HBO,Showtime and on regular tv..whats the complaint?


Exactly,its ****ing weird

they are prohibited in the contract from saying anything negative about Haymon or the PBC.

[dr.french]

The crazy thing is you can't only blame the PBC for mismatches , Boxing in the last 10 year had been nothing but 97% mismatches on tv

Of course you can blame them. They have more fighters than anybody hands down. Haymon has almost all of them locked down. They don't fight unless he allows it. PBC could put on stellar fights. Instead Haymon continues to put on garbage fight after garbage fight.

At least Sho and HBO try to make great fights as much as possible.