Roy Jones Jr & Max Kellerman Debate On Canelo vs GGG Catchweight Impasse! (VIDEO)

[bigfo0t]

LOL you just merked this whole era. Manny, Floyd, Cotto, Canelo all have asked for & gotten high level catchweight fights (catchweight fights are super common outside of the higher levels of boxing which is why I don't got a problem with them, its standard **** happening on every card).

The difference here is that both fighters hold belt(s) in the same weight class, and the proposed "catchweight" is only ONE pound over 154 (clearly favoring the younger fighter who is used to draining himself to 154). They aren't even trying to meet in the middle, it's an obvious and blatant attempt to gain an advantage.

Catchweights are fine if it's the only way to get a fight made between guys from different divisions, but they have to be willing to meet in the middle. None of this 155 Caneloweight crap.

[Eff Pandas]

The difference here is that both fighters hold belt(s) in the same weight class, and the proposed "catchweight" is only ONE pound over 154 (clearly favoring the younger fighter who is used to draining himself to 154). They aren't even trying to meet in the middle, it's an obvious and blatant attempt to gain an advantage.

Catchweights are fine if it's the only way to get a fight made between guys from different divisions, but they have to be willing to meet in the middle. None of this 155 Caneloweight crap.

Manny fought guys as the WW champion that were WW's at catchweights. Whats wrong with that if the other guy agrees to it? GGG has already stated he would fight guys as low as 154 & as high as 168 if its a PPV caliber fight. This is a PPV caliber fight. This is no different than Floyd taking Canelo at his word & requesting a 152lb fight.

And why is this any different then choosing gloves, ring size, venue or w/e? Boxing is a circus like it or not. Personally I don't like that boxing is a circus, but the reality of the circus atmosphere of boxing is the fighters can ask for & get anything the other fighter is willing to submit to & if GGG likes money he'll agree to this.

[OnePunch]

Manny fought guys as the WW champion that were WW's at catchweights. Whats wrong with that if the other guy agrees to it? GGG has already stated he would fight guys as low as 154 & as high as 168 if its a PPV caliber fight. This is a PPV caliber fight. This is no different than Floyd taking Canelo at his word & requesting a 152lb fight.

And why is this any different then choosing gloves, ring size, venue or w/e? Boxing is a circus like it or not. Personally I don't like that boxing is a circus, but the reality of the circus atmosphere of boxing is the fighters can ask for & get anything the other fighter is willing to submit to & if GGG likes money he'll agree to this.

In theory, nothing is "wrong" with it if the other fighter is thirsty enough to sell his dignity. Thats his business. But the overall effect on the sport is not good, and the other fighter certainly doesnt get "credit" for beating a handicapped opponent.

Lets apply that logic to other sports:

Should the Patriots only have to go 70 yards for a touchdown but the Browns have to go 100, because the Pats sell more tickets?

Should A-Rod be given up to 5 strikes because he sells more jerseys?

I mean come on, where do you draw the line?

What if Canelo demanded GGG only be allowed a 4 week camp?

What if Cotto demanded Canelo could only throw 30 punches per round?


Is there a line?, or as long as the poorer fighter agrees then its all good?

cmon man......


Edit: gloves and ring size should never be dictated. A fighter should be able to wear any glove approved by the commission, and ring size should also be set by the commission, with 20 x 20 (inside the ropes) being the standard.

I dont mind venue being negotiated, because there are economic factors at play

[bigfo0t]

Manny fought guys as the WW champion that were WW's at catchweights. Whats wrong with that if the other guy agrees to it? GGG has already stated he would fight guys as low as 154 & as high as 168 if its a PPV caliber fight. This is a PPV caliber fight. This is no different than Floyd taking Canelo at his word & requesting a 152lb fight.

And why is this any different then choosing gloves, ring size, venue or w/e? Boxing is a circus like it or not. Personally I don't like that boxing is a circus, but the reality of the circus atmosphere of boxing is the fighters can ask for & get anything the other fighter is willing to submit to & if GGG likes money he'll agree to this.

Manny was at least willing to meet in the middle, even giving up pounds to much bigger guys. We all know he was small for welter considering where he started. He never asked a welterweight to fight him at 141, hell even Floyd was willing to meet Canelo more than halfway. The issue here isn't the idea of a catchweight, it's the proposed Caneloweight of 155.

[boxcityusa805]

Didn't vote because the answer depends on the context, and the only context is that right now Alvarez is the WBC middleweight champion and Golovkin is the WBC interim champion. This makes golovkin the MANDATORY for Alvarez. As a MANDATORY the two sides do NOT have to negotiate(see what happened this week with fury and main events/glazkov). So if I'm golovkin lets go to purse bids, where he is ENTITLED TO 45% of the purse bid which would be way more than what he could earn by negotiating anyway!
Imagine al haymon/his promoters swooping in and winning the bid?! Golden boy would never let that happen, so Oscar either needs to overpay golovkin so much that he goes to 155, or he loses his credibility about "making the best fights". 5 days before vacating the title or fighting golovkin at 160! Can't wait.


Of course knowing the fickle game of boxing, Alvarez decides to fight golovkin at 160 in May and golovkin decides to get his ibf mandatory Johnson out of the way in February in his yearly international event location and gets KTFO ala Tyson/Douglas in Japan.

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kellerman is a ****sexual and always wrong about everything, the man sucks ****

[Eff Pandas]

Lets apply that logic to other sports:

Should the Patriots only have to go 70 yards for a touchdown but the Browns have to go 100, because the Pats sell more tickets?

Should A-Rod be given up to 5 strikes because he sells more jerseys?

I mean come on, where do you draw the line?

Problem is boxing is a circus & the NFL & MLB aren't. In a circus whoever puts the most asses in the seats can request what they want & you can submit to them, make a deal with them or risk losing their business. One day maybe boxing will be like the NFL or MLB, but its not now.

Is there a line?, or as long as the poorer fighter agrees then its all good?

Its always being determined. 10 years ago asking for olympic style drug testing was nuts. Today a fight might not happen cuz 2 guys can't agree on what olympic style drug tester to use lol. I hear more talk of rehydration clauses lately. Who knows what may be deemed important for the big names in the next 10 or 20 years. Maybe something will be going on with shoes that are giving cats advantages by then idk man. And yea you agree to it or you risk losing the fight. I assume anything deemed unsafe would be unacceptable to the commission, but there is still a lot of stuff you can dictate.

Edit: gloves and ring size should never be dictated. A fighter should be able to wear any glove approved by the commission, and ring size should also be set by the commission, with 20 x 20 (inside the ropes) being the standard.

They are dictated doe. You are living in fantasy land with how boxing should work in this one little area of weight when everything in boxing is chaotic as f#ck. There are 4 "world" champions, up to 40 guys who can claim to be top 10 contenders, interim champions up the ass & for lil to no reason usually, guys fighting at 2 or 3 divisions higher on fight night then they weighed in it, insane scorecards that can only be occurring due to corruption or incompetence & etc & so on.

In the circus of boxing its every man for himself. And when you bring more money, more fans to the big top show yes you also bring the ability to dictate the terms.

If boxing ever gets to the point of some elite league like other sports have I fully expect there to be a TON of conformity & lots of this **** that is relevant to make fights happen today won't be in play at all, but with how things stand today I think its unreasonable not to expect the fighters who can take advantage of them to do so. You can say its wrong, but people keep agreeing to it cuz they know whats happening in the circus of boxing too.

[_original_]

Roy went up to HW to grab a title, no catchweight of 205 or whatever, he probably thinks Canelo is a phag for this.


Anyways, l don't really care as long as we see the fight. GGG is going to have to bend to the more popular fighter's demands, it's the nature of the beast in boxing.

[Eff Pandas]

Manny was at least willing to meet in the middle, even giving up pounds to much bigger guys. We all know he was small for welter considering where he started. He never asked a welterweight to fight him at 141, hell even Floyd was willing to meet Canelo more than halfway. The issue here isn't the idea of a catchweight, it's the proposed Caneloweight of 155.

So you're okay with catchweights you just want things to be more even? Fair enough. I can't hate on that.

I still disagree cuz ultimately in boxing the golden rule is the guy with the gold makes the rules & Canelo gots the gold with just under 4M ppv buys vs 150k ppv buys all time.

[Larry the boss]

I agree with both..if Canelo can get away with it why not...and if you are the 160 champ **** it go balls to the wall and make it happen