PBC and HBO can now work together

[thechampizhere]

First haymon isnt a promoter he is an advisor to all his fighters and makes sure they arent lowballed like ufc fighters...PBC is its own stable ala golden boy and various promoters work with the PBC outfit to showcase there fighters. I most def get what your saying and agree in whole that was the comment he meant to say. PBC on HBO has a good sound to it as well as PBC on showtime. Oscars has only one big name and so does arum why would these networks bow down to two has been promoters who dont take care of their fighters. I see alot of guys going the mayweather/cotto route and eventually buying there horrible ass contracts and hiring haymon and jumping ship to pbc. Eventually golden girl and top skank will be aboard the PBC TRAIN AKA AL HAYMON

[Eastcoast]

Do you own your own business? Maximum value is always the objective. Haymon has contracts with FS1, and ESPN, two companies in a much more prolific competition than little old Showtime, and HBO. Haymon owes nobody anything, who cares about Showtime.

Thats company is becoming a wasteland, Haymon and HBO is going to happen, and there is nothing Showtime can do about it.

A part of me believes some boxing fans DON'T want to see this happen.

What would would they ***** about otherwise?

You're thinking short term maximum value. If Haymon were to get HBO out of the way, suddenly his product is worth considerable more when the big networks bid on the rights. And yes, Showtime boxing is slowly dissolving away thanks to Haymon.

[Bram]

If he could manage to get HBO out of the way, that would definitely be huge for PBC, but what are the chances of that? HBO has virtually unlimited resources and, over the years, they have essentially tied themselves to boxing in the same way 'NBA' has tied itself to basketball. I'm not saying its impossible, but if/when HBO no longer has an interest in big time boxing, I don't think Al Haymon (or me) is around anymore.

[The Ninth Layer]

If he could manage to get HBO out of the way, that would definitely be huge for PBC, but what are the chances of that? HBO has virtually unlimited resources and, over the years, they have essentially tied themselves to boxing in the same way 'NBA' has tied itself to basketball. I'm not saying its impossible, but if/when HBO no longer has an interest in big time boxing, I don't think Al Haymon (or me) is around anymore.

This. Even with the TV space and fighter stable Haymon has, there are plenty of other outstanding fighters that are fighting on HBO, putting on good shows and doing good business. That won't change for a long time, HBO will continue to put out big money for the best fighters and there will always be fighters willing to bite.

As far as Showtime goes, Haymon basically already burned those guys. Their boxing brand is nearly dead, they'll likely get a few scraps now and then but nothing like their 2013 run. I'm sure Haymon would much rather do business with the bigger premium network if he has a choice. There's definitely room for HBO-level fights in Haymon's PBC campaign.

[Ernie Mavers]

If he could manage to get HBO out of the way, that would definitely be huge for PBC, but what are the chances of that? HBO has virtually unlimited resources and, over the years, they have essentially tied themselves to boxing in the same way 'NBA' has tied itself to basketball. I'm not saying its impossible, but if/when HBO no longer has an interest in big time boxing, I don't think Al Haymon (or me) is around anymore.

HBO does not have "unlimited resources", quite the opposite, they have a budget, they are a division, not a company. They are but a component of Time Warner, and the powers that be having been cutting HBO boxing's budget steadily for years. They are a subsidiary, don't get it twisted. They only have so much money to spend, they don't have 25% of the budget Haymon has to make fights.

[jqSide]

All this means is that Haymon fighters should now stop making excuses why certain fights won't happen. It's also more likely that they would stop calling out HBO fighters for fear of their bluffs being called. Quillin, for instance, has moved his goal post and wants $10 million to fight Golovkin.

[Bram]

HBO does not have "unlimited resources", quite the opposite, they have a budget, they are a division, not a company. They are but a component of Time Warner, and the powers that be having been cutting HBO boxing's budget steadily for years. They are a subsidiary, don't get it twisted. They only have so much money to spend, they don't have 25% of the budget Haymon has to make fights.

I understand that they have a budget and they can't go around giving people blank checks for fights or rights, but if you're banking on stability, HBO has two giant luxuries that Al Haymon does not which are longevity and brand. If it sticks around long enough, maybe someday we'll be talking about "PBC" in the same way we talk about "HBO", but they are far, FAR from that.

[Ernie Mavers]

All this means is that Haymon fighters should now stop making excuses why certain fights won't happen. It's also more likely that they would stop calling out HBO fighters for fear of their bluffs being called. Quillin, for instance, has moved his goal post and wants $10 million to fight Golovkin.

I totally agree with you. 1000000%. There will be no excuses for certain boxers that shall remain nameless.

[Ernie Mavers]

Ernie -

Yes, I own several businesses. I own a newspaper, a gym, a music festival, a regional sports league and a talent management company, to name a few.

I agree that maximum value is always the objective, but with HBO's annual boxing budget at $30 million and UFC's TV contract at $100 million, it's clear that maximum value will come from a network deal, not by working with HBO.

And that $100 million network deal becomes far more realistic if HBo boxing is marginalized as much as possible. As another poster mentioned, HBO is the premier brand in boxing. HBO's demise is a necessary goal for PBC to emerge as the dominant brand.

Showtime is becoming a wasteland by design and if PBC is successful, HBO will eventually become a wasteland as well.

Has nothing to do with what boxing fans want to see. I am not a boxing fan. I am a business man. I have no emotional attachment to any of this.

Solid Post, we may disagree fundamentally, but I respect your argument.

[The Ninth Layer]

Ernie -

Yes, I own several businesses. I own a newspaper, a gym, a music festival, a regional sports league and a talent management company, to name a few.

I agree that maximum value is always the objective, but with HBO's annual boxing budget at $30 million and UFC's TV contract at $100 million, it's clear that maximum value will come from a network deal, not by working with HBO.

And that $100 million network deal becomes far more realistic if HBo boxing is marginalized as much as possible. As another poster mentioned, HBO is the premier brand in boxing. HBO's demise is a necessary goal for PBC to emerge as the dominant brand.

Showtime is becoming a wasteland by design and if PBC is successful, HBO will eventually become a wasteland as well.

Has nothing to do with what boxing fans want to see. I am not a boxing fan. I am a business man. I have no emotional attachment to any of this.

Different scales of business though. HBO has $30 million but no worries about advertiser demands. They just need to put on shows their subscribers find valuable, which they can do by putting that money behind 5 or 6 TV-friendly guys to get opponents for them. There will always be those 5 or 6 guys because, as much money as Haymon has, he doesn't have enough to pay every top fighter's salary.

Take a look at the guys HBO has headlining their fights. Forgetting Pacquaio who his on his way out, they have Tim Bradley, Gennady Golovkin, Andre Ward, Miguel Cotto, Terence Crawford and Sergey Kovalev to name a few. Those are great fighters and they look quite good when compared to Haymon's best (Amir Khan, Deontay Wilder, Keith Thurman, Adonis Stevenson, Adrien Broner).

Haymon doesn't have the money or the platform to steal those fighters from HBO. He's still struggling to create a platform that can help establish the fighters he has. In the meantime, HBO will continue to attract top fighters who see the HBO brand and what they can do for fighters.

Finally something to consider is that HBO is really good at building up fighter names from nothing. In fact just fighting on HBO is a sign that a fighter has made it to the big leagues. It remains to be seen whether Haymon, on his own and without the help of HBO, can build a fighter up to the point that they can start making PPV-scale revenue. At the moment he hasn't shown he can do it.