Comments Thread For: Mayweather Hits Low, Blames Drugs For De La Hoya Beef

[bigdunny1]

No Ali wasn't loved and praised just when he had retired. No one cared when Ali fought Trevor Berbick. People who were around Ali's team when he fought Larry Holmes said he only took that fight because he was broke and needed the money. A lot of boxing writers and critics criticized Ali for taking the fight with Holmes. People who saw the fight live said it was like "watching an autopsy on a man who was still alive." Ali retired sick and a loser and people at the time criticized him for continuing to fight when he was way past his prime. You're rewriting history. Sure Ali is loved now because of his humanitarian work outside of boxing but make no question about it no one cared about him when he retired. You're making **** up.

Some people consider Joe Louis the greatest heavyweight of all time. Look up the documentary "Joe Louis: America's Hero betrayed" if you want to see how disrespected one of America's boxing greats got treated when he retired.

Stop bringing up Derek Jeter because that is a different sport. Most baseball greats never did a farewell tour.

Dude I know you can read I clearly said when he retired first you bring up Ali being controversial early and on the middle of his career which has nothing to do with my point about when he retired. Now bring up fans wanting him to stop fighting when he was shot and washed up which is again not what I'm talking about. Tons of fighters keep fighting long after they are shot and fans feel bad and don't want to see that urging them to retire. Jordan hung around to long and fans hated seeing him in a wizards uniform and wanted him to retire and bashed him because he kept playing, fans wanted Jeter to retire the year before so he wouldn't embarrass himself and none of this is relevant to my point. lol

After Jordan retired nobody talked about him on wizards they celebrated his career and gave him respect for his accomplishments. Same with Ali who got more love and respect from fans, media and his peers AFTER he retired then any fighter I've ever seen. Yet Mayweather retired and doesn't get the same. Please stick to that point.

And Jeter is relevant because unlike most athletes that retire after a season or in boxing after a fight. He announced it before hand and had a farewell season. Just like floyd announced his retirement before and took the berto fight and it was promoted as his farewell fight but look how floyd was treated for that compared to jeter. That's my point and proves the level of respect jeter is given in his sport which floyd doesn't get in his. And which Ali most Def got and many other fighters who retired got.

And did you just bring up Joe Louis who retired in 1951 before the civil rights movement? LMAO. Do you think our nation's race issues and that Era plays a part? Wow did what I say fly over your head that you bringing up Joe Louis who didn't get the jordan, jeter, ali treatment like other black athletes because back then blacks couldn't even drink out of the same water fountain as whites but you wonder why he wasnt celebrated more when he retired? Seriously SMH. What does that have to do with today fans, media, and his peers most of which are black not giving Floyd much respect after he retired as other greats get???

[bigjavi973]

Damn I dont have time to read this but it's big of Floyd to at least admit he was doing drugs. Not necessarily the smart thing to do because now his record is 0-4 with 45 No Contests. Whatever though. Kudos to Floyd for being a man for the first time in his life.

^^^^ this guy gets zero pussay

[bigjavi973]

A coked up, alcoholic cross dresser.... and then you have floyd.

Odh fans cant really talk

[Johnwoo8686]

Dude I know you can read I clearly said when he retired first you bring up Ali being controversial early and on the middle of his career which has nothing to do with my point about when he retired. Now bring up fans wanting him to stop fighting when he was shot and washed up which is again not what I'm talking about. Tons of fighters keep fighting long after they are shot and fans feel bad and don't want to see that urging them to retire. Jordan hung around to long and fans hated seeing him in a wizards uniform and wanted him to retire and bashed him because he kept playing, fans wanted Jeter to retire the year before so he wouldn't embarrass himself and none of this is relevant to my point. lol

After Jordan retired nobody talked about him on wizards they celebrated his career and gave him respect for his accomplishments. Same with Ali who got more love and respect from fans, media and his peers AFTER he retired then any fighter I've ever seen. Yet Mayweather retired and doesn't get the same. Please stick to that point.

And Jeter is relevant because unlike most athletes that retire after a season or in boxing after a fight. He announced it before hand and had a farewell season. Just like floyd announced his retirement before and took the berto fight and it was promoted as his farewell fight but look how floyd was treated for that compared to jeter. That's my point and proves the level of respect jeter is given in his sport which floyd doesn't get in his. And which Ali most Def got and many other fighters who retired got.

And did you just bring up Joe Louis who retired in 1951 before the civil rights movement? LMAO. Do you think our nation's race issues and that Era plays a part? Wow did what I say fly over your head that you bringing up Joe Louis who didn't get the jordan, jeter, ali treatment like other black athletes because back then blacks couldn't even drink out of the same water fountain as whites but you wonder why he wasnt celebrated more when he retired? Seriously SMH. What does that have to do with today fans, media, and his peers most of which are black not giving Floyd much respect after he retired as other greats get???

Man, if you watched TV just once today you would see that racism is STILL a huge problem in the US today. It may be more covert than it was in 1951 but its still very bad. Take a sociology course and it will open your eyes. You said Floyd gets treated with less respect than any great you've EVER seen and I just used a prime example of why there have been other greats who were treated even worse!

No one was talking about Ali when he retired. Ali gained respect years later. No one cared about Tyson when he retired. No one cared about Sugar Ray Robinson when he retired either. Those guys were earning chump change and fighting in front of small audiences compared to what Floyd was able to draw late in his career.

When Ronda Rousey got knocked out Floyd Mayweather was a trending topic and he didn't even fight lol. Trust me people care. Whether they love him or hate him people still talk about him. I mean just look at this forum. Floyd is being talked about more than the guys who are still active.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Pssh someone better shoot someone or else shut the fuck up already.

[bigdunny1]

Man, if you watched TV just once today you would see that racism is STILL a huge problem in the US today. It may be more covert than it was in 1951 but its still very bad. Take a sociology course and it will open your eyes. You said Floyd gets treated with less respect than any great you've EVER seen and I just used a prime example of why there have been other greats who were treated even worse!

Did I say racism is solved or not still a issue today? I'm black you idiot and know it still exist. My point is you bringing up a fighter who retired over 60 years ago in discussion about why Floyd is not getting the same respect as other black athletes in today's Era who retired. And you pulling out Joe Louis makes you sound foolish. I named Jordan and Jeter and Ali all black guys too. Floyd doesn't get the same respect because of how he fought in the ring which many feel was boring and because the guys he didn't fight or didn't fight when the fans wanted him too. This according to many black fans, black media and black hall of fame peers. Out of all the examples I provided all are either black fighters saying this or latino fighters saying this who are also discriminated by whites. lol

Sorry I didn't specify that Floyd is treated the worst of any fighter who retired in the modern Era of sports. Just so we can keep this conversation post civil rights Era and post black and white TV era. The fact you have to go that far back in the time machine just makes my point even more.

[Mr. Philadel]

saying Hoya is envy and a junkie is hitting low?!?....if he would've said something about his wife or kids, then that's low...but Hoya and Floyd been at war for years....all is fair in war, just respect the women and kids....that said, Floyd could've worded that a bit better....he should've made his comments burn Hoya's soul....that was a basic one two...nothing low imo

[bigdunny1]

No one was talking about Ali when he retired. Ali gained respect years later. No one cared about Tyson when he retired. No one cared about Sugar Ray Robinson when he retired either. Those guys were earning chump change and fighting in front of small audiences compared to what Floyd was able to draw late in his career.

When Ronda Rousey got knocked out Floyd Mayweather was a trending topic and he didn't even fight lol. Trust me people care. Whether they love him or hate him people still talk about him. I mean just look at this forum. Floyd is being talked about more than the guys who are still active.

Again fans feeling sad that a great fighter hung on too long is not what I'm talking anout. LOL. this is like trying to explain something to a kid. That is very common in boxing and all sports. I'm talking about a fighter or great athlete retires fans and media and peers show respect for their career and accomplishes. Peyton Manning is getting trashed right now because he's a pathetic shell of what he once was. Jokes about his noodle arm and him hurting his team. If he retires at that moment he will be celebrated for the great times in his career and the narrative will change. Do you get that? Yet when Floyd did it fans, media and his peers said great get the hell out of boxing good riddance and just take shots at him or give back handed compliments. Ali sugar ray all got the Jordan and Jeter love and respect after they retired.

Tyson is different he got the what a waste of talent he never full filled his early promise treatment. Sort of like a Bo Jackson both were so dominant but it was a flash in the pan and not sustained. So I don't put tyson in the level of jordan, ali, jeter, or Floyd who were all all time greats doing things nobody else did and for an entire career. Compare how Floyd has been treated in his retirement compared to others on his level of accomplishes like the guys i mentioned and you will see the 180 difference Floyd gets or rather doesn't get.

And what does Ronda rousy and whether people still talk about floyd have to do with anything? Did I say Floyd is not relevant or trending on twitter? Of course he is thats not a debate. I said he is not respected and highly thought of by his peers even after retirement.

But I'm done repeating this simple point to you. You don't see it or don't want to see it.

[Johnwoo8686]

Did I say racism is solved or not still a issue today? I'm black you idiot and know it still exist. My point is you bringing up a fighter who retired over 60 years ago in discussion about why Floyd is not getting the same respect as other black athletes in today's Era who retired. And you pulling out Joe Louis makes you sound foolish. I named Jordan and Jeter and Ali all black guys too. Floyd doesn't get the same respect because of how he fought in the ring which many feel was boring and because the guys he didn't fight or didn't fight when the fans wanted him too. This according to many black fans, black media and black hall of fame peers. Out of all the examples I provided all are either black fighters saying this or latino fighters saying this who are also discriminated by whites. lol

Sorry I didn't specify that Floyd is treated the worst of any fighter who retired in the modern Era of sports. Just so we can keep this conversation post civil rights Era and post black and white TV era. The fact you have to go that far back in the time machine just makes my point even more.

If you're black then you really are an idiot. Race played a major role in Joe Louis' treatment and it plays a major role in Floyd's treatment today. You said "Race issues of the time." Newflash there are still major race issues today which is partially why Floyd gets so little respect. And you can't compare team sports to pro boxing. When you succeed in team sports you get credit. When you fail others get blamed. With pro boxing your legacy rises and falls with you and you only. So lets compare Floyd to boxers only.

You said no great has EVER been treated the way Floyd has. Do you know what the word "ever" means? If you used a word use it in proper context. Of course I used Joe Louis as an example because he is still discussed amongst greats today and you did say "ever."

An if you want to use modern era boxers we can use Tyson as a prime example. He retired broke, he retired a joke by the media, and retired losing to bums. Only recently is Tyson now being accepted again by the mainstream. Tyson was called all kinds of derogatory names when he finally called it quits. Tyson ended his career on his back with no money in his pocket. Floyd ended on his feet with hundreds of millions of dollars.

Like I said. The man retired a few months ago and he is still being talked about more than the guys who are still active.

[bigdunny1]

I already touched on Tyson he is not in Floyd league or any of the guys I mentioned. He is treated different because he is a tragic figure in sports because he never lived up to the early hype. As for the well people still talk about Floyd debate, i never argued they dont and to prove how its a non factor people still talk about Tebow and Johnny manzel more twitter talk about those guys then half of the starting NFL qbs in the game right now. Are those guys respected by their peers? Kim Kardashian is the most talked about person on TV but it's not relevant to my point or discussion about being highly respected by peers when you retire.