Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin's Promoter Ruled Out Fight at 168

[aboutfkntime]

Canelo has never fought at MW? Except Caneloweight aka 155 is technically MW.

Nah, people who use the term " technically " are usually reaching badly.

What middleweight weighs 155..... name one ?

Come on man get real...... EVERYONE knows that Canelo will be a much better fighter given FULL camps that are specifically designed to prepare him for 160.

You know it, I know it..... and Team Golovkin most certainly fkn know it.

Canelo hasn't fought a MW opponent?Sure, So if he's not interested in MW why fight for a MW title? So the purpose of winning a MW title is not to defend it against MWs?

You have completely missed the point.

Canelo has been chasing a Cotto fight for YEARS, since long before Cotto accidentally picked up the middleweight strap by beating Martinez in a money fight.

" I have absolutely NO interest in middleweight "
~ Saul " Canelo " Alvarez

GGG is unwilling to allow Canelo to adapt to 160? Its not Gennadys fault he keeps pushing(hiding) for 155. Its funny how you bring up Ward in that situation when it plays against you. Ward fans cry for GGG to fight him at 168 without even the suggestion of letting him test the waters there. Ward was seen as #2 P4P and but its okay that the "hype job" at 160 should be immediately sent to fight him.

Golovkin stated for YEARS that he could beat " anyone from 154-168 ".

And he was prepared to fight Froch/Chavez at 168..... just not Ward.

Why is that do you think ?

Oh yeah and I believe Ward is a nightmare for Golovkin simply because his style is without a doubt a bane to GGGs. His management simply ducked him.

Thats the reason why..... right there ^^

[aboutfkntime]

Except for the guys who have stepped in the ring with both.

They do not have any common opponents.

Willie Monroe Jnr said that Ward would beat Golovkin easy.

No fighters/trainers say that Golovkin can beat Ward..... none !

[AKAcronym]

They do not have any common opponents.

Willie Monroe Jnr said that Ward would beat Golovkin easy.

No fighters/trainers say that Golovkin can beat Ward..... none !

Not in a professional fight no, but to those that have gotten in the ring with both of them, it's actually not as cut and dry as many would have you believe. You can take what you want from guys like Boone, Mendez, Findley with a grain of salt, they still know better than anyone how that fight possibly goes and have said that GGG beats Ward (Mendez actually doesn't say as such, but doesn't say Ward beats Gennady either). As much as someone may know about something, I'm of the opinion that you actually have to experience it. In no other instance, am I going to take the guys opinion who is on the outside looking in, never having actually dealt with what's being discussed, over someone who has dealt with it first hand. And while Monroe has said that, he has been pretty bitter about the Golovkin fight, from what I've seen. And yes, while many fighters/trainers have Ward to beat Golovkin, many fighters have never even fought either of them, much less both. Either way, I'm not making a case for either guy. I just feel it would be a hell of a lot more competitive than you and many believe.

[Mate_Parlov]

650-750k... Wrong as always.

I said 1million and their at least 900k and counting...

One of these days you'll hopefully be right???

Aren't we about due for another ggg mismatch that even HBO won't televise like last years Adama and the year before that I****a fight???

How many ppv buys is the Andy Lee vs. ggg fight going to get???

But hey did 650K! WTF is wrong with you?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...php?p=16289180

[aboutfkntime]

Not in a professional fight no, but to those that have gotten in the ring with both of them, it's actually not as cut and dry as many would have you believe. You can take what you want from guys like Boone, Mendez, Findley with a grain of salt, they still know better than anyone how that fight possibly goes and have said that GGG beats Ward (Mendez actually doesn't say as such, but doesn't say Ward beats Gennady either). As much as someone may know about something, I'm of the opinion that you actually have to experience it. In no other instance, am I going to take the guys opinion who is on the outside looking in, never having actually dealt with what's being discussed, over someone who has dealt with it first hand. And while Monroe has said that, he has been pretty bitter about the Golovkin fight, from what I've seen. And yes, while many fighters/trainers have Ward to beat Golovkin, many fighters have never even fought either of them, much less both. Either way, I'm not making a case for either guy. I just feel it would be a hell of a lot more competitive than you and many believe.

No, I have never heard anything like that.....

I have not heard 1 single fighter/trainer say that Golovkin could beat Ward.

You would have to link me.

EVERY fighter/trainer that I see interviewed say Ward > Golovkin.

[AKAcronym]

No, I have never heard anything like that.....

I have not heard 1 single fighter/trainer say that Golovkin could beat Ward.

You would have to link me.

EVERY fighter/trainer that I see interviewed say Ward > Golovkin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNiS2VBvoDc

That's the Boone one. It's originally like a 45 min interview but that's the segment pertaining most to this discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCKN3M3Nnfo

That's the Findley one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJop7igSQQ

That's the Mendez one.

Like I said, I am well aware of how many fighters/trainers back Ward to beat Golovkin and that's fine. But as I mentioned, most of these fighters (and obviously trainers) haven't been in there with either guy, much less both. Just because they are very knowledgeable of boxing, doesn't mean they're infallible. If that was the case, every fighter and trainer would be 100% correct on every fight prediction. I'm not saying Golovkin beats Ward based off those guys either. But they have been in the ring with BOTH, which lends a lot more credibility than any other fighter or trainer.

[OnePunch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNiS2VBvoDc

That's the Boone one. It's originally like a 45 min interview but that's the segment pertaining most to this discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCKN3M3Nnfo

That's the Findley one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJop7igSQQ

That's the Mendez one.

Like I said, I am well aware of how many fighters/trainers back Ward to beat Golovkin and that's fine. But as I mentioned, most of these fighters (and obviously trainers) haven't been in there with either guy, much less both. Just because they are very knowledgeable of boxing, doesn't mean they're infallible. If that was the case, every fighter and trainer would be 100% correct on every fight prediction. I'm not saying Golovkin beats Ward based off those guys either. But they have been in the ring with BOTH, which lends a lot more credibility than any other fighter or trainer.

consdering Boone is the guy that put Ward on the floor, his opinion carries a TON of weight......

[j0zef]

consdering Boone is the guy that put Ward on the floor, his opinion carries a TON of weight......

To be fair, his experience with Ward is like from 2009? While Golovkin has made a lasting impression in the summer of 2015. I have a lot of respect for Boone, but it's a little unfair to compare how far apart his experiences are.

[aboutfkntime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNiS2VBvoDc

That's the Boone one. It's originally like a 45 min interview but that's the segment pertaining most to this discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCKN3M3Nnfo

That's the Findley one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJop7igSQQ

That's the Mendez one.

Like I said, I am well aware of how many fighters/trainers back Ward to beat Golovkin and that's fine. But as I mentioned, most of these fighters (and obviously trainers) haven't been in there with either guy, much less both. Just because they are very knowledgeable of boxing, doesn't mean they're infallible. If that was the case, every fighter and trainer would be 100% correct on every fight prediction. I'm not saying Golovkin beats Ward based off those guys either. But they have been in the ring with BOTH, which lends a lot more credibility than any other fighter or trainer.

Mendez did not say that Golovkin can beat Ward.

And Findlay is very very ordinary, to say the least.

Find a top trainer who thinks that Golovkin can beat Ward.

Find a top fighter who thinks that Golovkin can beat Ward.

It's obvious that top trainers/fighters are not 100% correct, you kinda wasted a little bit of your life by explaining that to me.....

The point I am making is obvious, you touched on it.

Those guys obviously understand the game on a much deeper level than the rock-em-sock-em robot casual-fans...... they are ALL coming to the same conclusion, for the same reason, they understand about styles/levels.

Casual fans know nothing about styles/levels/weight.

I would give Golovkin little/no chance of beating Ward, just like I gave Pacquiao little/no chance of beating Mayweather..... and I have come to that conclusion for the exact same reason, just like most fighters/trainers also did, for the exact same reason..... styles/levels.

Golovkin is not good enough to contend with the technical accuracy, ringIQ, skillset, of Ward..... I don't even give him a punchers chance, he doesn't KO guys he breaks them down.

[AKAcronym]

Mendez did not say that Golovkin can beat Ward.

And Findlay is very very ordinary, to say the least.

Find a top trainer who thinks that Golovkin can beat Ward.

Find a top fighter who thinks that Golovkin can beat Ward.

It's obvious that top trainers/fighters are not 100% correct, you kinda wasted a little bit of your life by explaining that to me.....

The point I am making is obvious, you touched on it.

Those guys obviously understand the game on a much deeper level than the rock-em-sock-em robot casual-fans...... they are ALL coming to the same conclusion, for the same reason, they understand about styles/levels.

Casual fans know nothing about styles/levels/weight.

I would give Golovkin little/no chance of beating Ward, just like I gave Pacquiao little/no chance of beating Mayweather..... and I have come to that conclusion for the exact same reason, just like most fighters/trainers also did, for the exact same reason..... styles/levels.

Golovkin is not good enough to contend with the technical accuracy, ringIQ, skillset, of Ward..... I don't even give him a punchers chance, he doesn't KO guys he breaks them down.

I never said he did, pay attention. You said give me links to people who have said such things, I did and now it has to be top level guys. Well if you're going to keep moving the goal post then so be it. I figured such a response. You can go on with whatever you said and that's fine. All I ever said is that this fight would be a lot more competitive than you and others like you would think. I have noted how I'm aware of how many pick Ward to win so you have also "waste a little bit of your life by explaining that to me." But as far as those who have been in the ring, this is what they've said, that's all. Shame the fight hasn't happened/might not happen.