Comments Thread For: Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!

[Shadoww702]

This is what GGGTARD looks like after he SHOVES his DIC way up their @SS!!!

[BTL]

GGG is going to end up going down to 155 and beat canelo

[Strive 4 Truth]

Canelo should vacate. Golovkin should not have to drain himself 5 pounds just to fight someone who is scared of fighting him. Canelo won my respect on Saturday but is now showing why he has been the most pampered fighter in boxing today. Canelo is publicly ducking GGG here and people are going to give him a pass because he put a catch-weight out there.

Total b!tch move. As much as I hated Cotto's catch weights at MW, Cotto was ****ing tiny at that weight. Canelo is big!!! He is a natural middleweight at this point. Vacate or move down

I agree! and so it begins, damn catchweights.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Oh gee, Now Canelo fans will try to say it's not draining!

You know why it's draining him when they are similar sized. Because Canelo is 8 years younger and does it all the time.

The older you get, the harder it is too drain so low and recover.

Why else do you think Canelo wants it, it doesn't help is legacy at all.

how is that even possible when all the golovkids claim they are both the same size??? if canelo isnt drained ggg shouldnt be either, not only that , you have ggg on record stating he makes 154 easy...

Canelo has also said he can make 154, and De La Hoya claimed it just two days ago.

Last you told it Canelo was 10x bigger than Lil G????

Shut the **** up, why you feel the need to lie.

I've never seen a Canelo fan as scared of GGG as you.

You know GGG crushes Canelo with little to no real threat coming from Ginger.

You Scared!

big canelo draining lil G..

You know damn well the difference, unless you are really not smart enough to see the difference.

Canelo-25

GGG-33

Who do you think can drain and recover better.

Ironically, Canelo probably would be better off draining 5 pounds less.

There is little reason for it.

[feroth]

A career 154 pounder who hydrates to 170 saying that he will only fight a career 160 pounder who hydrates to 170 or less makes no sense to me :s and by saying that at 155 you're macho and tough and ready to fight but at 160 (incidentally the weight that you hold the belt at) you want nothing to do with him is so ******ed and leaves room for only one conclusion, you have no belief if yourself or your fighter.

Canelo beating GGG at 155 would be tainted by the weight and if he loses he's a hype job...if he fights him at 160 and beats him he's in P4P contention and if he loses then he lost to a bigger more seasoned great. Even in business terms the fight at 155 makes no sense lol **** i hate boxing politics sometimes....

[Shadoww702]

A career 154 pounder who hydrates to 170 saying that he will only fight a career 160 pounder who hydrates to 170 or less makes no sense to me :s and by saying that at 155 you're macho and tough and ready to fight but at 160 (incidentally the weight that you hold the belt at) you want nothing to do with him is so ******ed and leaves room for only one conclusion, you have no belief if yourself or your fighter.

Canelo beating GGG at 155 would be tainted by the weight and if he loses he's a hype job...if he fights him at 160 and beats him he's in P4P contention and if he loses then he lost to a bigger more seasoned great. Even in business terms the fight at 155 makes no sense lol **** i hate boxing politics sometimes....

DID you just REALLY say that about a 25 year old??? Who started as a pro at 16 years old???

SMH...

Now GGG is "a career 160 pounder" Heck at 19 he was fightin 165 lbers...

[Unseen]

Most people don't know that back in the day, champions did this all the time in the late 1800s and the turn of the century

Middleweight was more like 154-156 at the champions discretion where the weight was

Featherweight was closer to 118

lightheavyweight didn't exist so middleweights fought heavies regularly


its amazing how people act like catchweight fights are a new trend. They have been around over 100 years in boxing.

Here is an article I found on catchweights

“Catchweight” or “contract weight” fights of course began long before Sully penned his challenges to his peers of the day, but to hear today’s typical boxing fan on a rant, catchweights are killing boxing when extra title belts and promoters ain’t killing boxing.

“If we could just get back to one belt and only the best fighting the best when men were men and on and on, over and over,” and so it goes on life’s wonderful merry-go-round.

Well, to be clear, the average fight fan is a rather unstudied lot, but then boxing as a business does little to educate the public as to the history of the sport, so in context, it is as it always was and forever shall be.

Promoters of course love catchweights for expanding the pool of prospective matchups that can be made and fighters themselves often jump when a lucrative opportunity presents itself, so let’s take a look at some of the bigger “catchweight” fights.

Kid Lavigne@131.5 vs Joe Walcott@131.5

Staged December 2nd, 1895 in Queens, New York, Barbados Joe Walcott was a squat, blocky welterweight in need of a big fight, so enter the manager of undefeated The Saginaw Kid Lavigne with a catchweight offer at 15 rounds, won by Lavigne by way of another stipulation of lasting the distance. Walcott’s manager put all his money in Walcott knocking out Lavigne. Keep in mind that the welter and lightweight limits were less by a few pounds than they are today and Walcott was coming off an open bout needing no weight limit and was at 138 lbs for that bout. They staged the rematch 2 yrs later with the Kid doing the honors, knocking out Barbados Joe who weighed 135 lbs for this bout.

Joe Gans@131 vs Battling Nelson@131lbs
Nelson vs Gans
Nelson vs Gans

This was Tex Rickard’s first big fight that established him as one of the greatest promoters ever, and what a dandy it was. Staged September 3rd, 1906 in the Nevada gold mining town of Goldfield, Rickard showcased the $33,000 purse as gold coins in the local bank’s store window, attracting the sporting crowds from all corners of the country.

Joe Gans was incrementally the bigger man, so Battling Nelson wouldn’t fight him without a weight stipulation of 131 lbs, being such a stickler that his camp insisted on weighing Gans at ringside just before the first bell. After 42 rounds of give and take action, Nelson had taken enough of a beating, delivering a blow so low and obvious that he was disqualified. Now I see Boxrec has “edited” the weights again along with the purse, so now the account of the fight is in disagreement with their record, but such are the always moving goalposts of boxing history. The point remains, Gans/Nelson fight is always reported as a catchweight fight.

Harry Lewis@149 vs Johnny Summers@141

Lewis vs Summers
Lewis vs Summers

Harry Lewis is an undersung fighter who held a portion of the welterweight title after the turn of the century. Staged January 25th, 1911 in London, England, the contracted weight was 144 lbs. Lewis was well over and paid a forfeit before knocking out Summers in the 4th round. He then announced he was moving up to middleweight where he finished his career. Fight conditions were very similar to the Mayweather/Marquez bout.

Henry Armstrong@142 vs Ceferino Garcia@153½

The Battle

Staged March 1st, 1940, this is a storied bout touted as Armstrong’s attempt to claim his 4th belt, but the truth of the matter is that only the state of California appeared to recognize the title, which, surprise, was split to smithereens! I see no indication it was reported as a catchweight fight, but I included it because in essence the conditions were near mirror image of the Pacquiao/Margarito fight.

Armstrong was well below the welter limit as was Pacquiao, and lifelong welterweight Garcia well below the middle limit, as was the Margarito career and weight. Some important differences are that Garcia did actually hold a portion of the middle title as recognized by the NYASC by beating Fred Apostoli, but the California fight was only for 10 rds, Another difference is the era with fighters like Margarito enhanced by modern weigh-in rules that give them as much as 36 hours to replenish fluids and nutrients before the fight. Margarito weighed a reported 167lbs in the ring, dwarfing Armstrong, Pacquiao, Garcia and most pre 90s middleweights in size.

Sugar Ray Leonard@165 vs Donny Lalonde@167

Staged at Ceasars PalaceNovember 7th in Las Vegas, Nevada, this fight had all the media hype of a typical Leonard fight plus much more thanks to creative manipulations by the WBC that allowed Leonard to challenge for both the supermiddleweight and LaLonde’s lightheavy title simultaneously in spite of neither making the LH limit. The well drained LaLonde was coming on strong, on the verge of knocking out Leonard before visibly running out of steam and being flattened in the 9th round. It was a good scrap, but emblematic of the extremes of what “catchweight” fights can go to. LaLonde was never the same after this, campaigning at cruiserweight to finish out his career.

Oscar De La Hoya@155 vs Bernard Hopkins@156

Staged September 18th, 2004 at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, the catchweight was actually at 158lbs, but Hopkins, having given up near every concession to the Goldenboy of boxing, got in his first shot early on by scaling in 2lbs below the contracted weight. He got in the last shot as well, flooring the surprisingly competitive De La Hoya with a left hook to the liver that kept him down for the 10 count in the 9th round.

Pretty much similar to the history of the thousands of catchweight fights in that there was seldom any controversy over the catchweight. That is until that modern subspecies, The Shiny Crusted **** Petardis, started streaming(screaming) into cyberspace.

So now with promoters aware that even a minor controversy sells, it looks like catchweights will be proliferating for better or worse into the foreseeable future of boxing.

In this era, weight is very important. It's not like the UFC where there are less weight classes and or the past of boxing. In today's era, there are many weight classes such as Cruiser weight that are new. Boxing has so many that box that each weight class matters to the lb. At World level now, even 1 percent can make the difference which is also a great thing due to how much people really try.

[Shadoww702]

You know why it's draining him when they are similar sized. Because Canelo is 8 years younger and does it all the time.

The older you get, the harder it is too drain so low and recover.

Why else do you think Canelo wants it, it doesn't help is legacy at all.



Canelo has also said he can make 154, and De La Hoya claimed it just two days ago.



Shut the **** up, why you feel the need to lie.

I've never seen a Canelo fan as scared of GGG as you.

You know GGG crushes Canelo with little to no real threat coming from Ginger.

You Scared!



You know damn well the difference, unless you are really not smart enough to see the difference.

Canelo-25

GGG-33

Who do you think can drain and recover better.

Ironically, Canelo probably would be better off draining 5 pounds less.

There is little reason for it.

GGG BY FAR!!! He DRAINS IN your @SS at LEAST 3G times a night...

[SterlingStained]

how the hell are you gonna call yourself a middleweight champion and not fight another middleweight champion at the same weight?

that is some b*tch ass balderdash smdh.....

I can understand the catchweight if they are trying to make a fight between two guys from different division but that is not the case here!!!!

BOTH HAVE MIDDLEWEIGHT BELTS SO THEY SHOULD FIGHT AT 160!!!!!

I blame floyd mayweather jr for this.

He was a 2x 154lb champion (vs oscar and cotto) yet he made a fellow 154 lb champion in canelo fight at a catchweight....

now you see cotto and canelo refusing to allow 160 pounders to fight at 160 following the bad example set by floyd.


absolutely more shameless than the entire gallagher family combined.

[puro dinamita]

fuuuuuck these little ******s i hope GGG put these ****ing crying ******* to sleep man tired of this **** mother ****er just holding on to a title that really ain't there's just strip his ass again