Comments Thread For: Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!

[M Bison]

You're probably the only GGG fan saying this. Most are saying "160 or no fight"

Canelo says "155 or no fight"

GGG fans expect Canelo to bow down to GGG's demands but they'll **** their pants if Canelo starts throwing demands around

I expect some demands to be thrown in but I just think its gonna take huge money to make it happen all the way down at 155lbs

157lbs seems fair, sometimes GGG hits weighin at 158 ish so I think it could be made.

Its a good fight and we have all the way until May to get this sorted out, time to haggle this out and see If an agreement can be made.

[SugarRaRobinson]

It doesn't get close to matching Pac's half-a-dozen weight-manipulated fights.

Especially considering the fact that Golovkin said he can beat anyone at 154.

Why would you say such a ****** thing kid ?

In fact, how dare you - OF ALL PEOPLE - accuse someone else of flip-flopping like a b1tch, because that is EXACTLY what you did!

Guys, check out HeroBando supporting Pac's catchweights at 147/154.....

On this thanksgiving eve , I was hungry , away from family and traveling . I wanna give a special shout out to Aboutfkntime for cooking HeroBando's alt for me .

[robbyheartbaby]

Lil g is gonna retire with 0 significant fights

Only if fighters like Canelo keep ducking like the ducks they are, quack quack quack quack quack! Lol

[Bardock]

I expect some demands to be thrown in but I just think its gonna take huge money to make it happen all the way down at 155lbs

157lbs seems fair, sometimes GGG hits weighin at 158 ish so I think it could be made.

Its a good fight and we have all the way until May to get this sorted out, time to haggle this out and see If an agreement can be made.

I think they'll settle at 156. I don't see them giving GGG 2 pounds at the negotiation table.

[Shadoww702]

Apparently he doesnt have the balls to defend his MW belt against the hypejob. Same old story, whats new is Canelo has a no duck rep. So much for that.

How did your Cotto/Canelo boycott go?? I take it you didn't have the balls to go in a MexiCAN or PR bar with your lil G gear on talking sht!

[b d w]

Most people don't know that back in the day, champions did this all the time in the late 1800s and the turn of the century

Middleweight was more like 154-156 at the champions discretion where the weight was

Featherweight was closer to 118

lightheavyweight didn't exist so middleweights fought heavies regularly


its amazing how people act like catchweight fights are a new trend. They have been around over 100 years in boxing.

Here is an article I found on catchweights

“Catchweight” or “contract weight” fights of course began long before Sully penned his challenges to his peers of the day, but to hear today’s typical boxing fan on a rant, catchweights are killing boxing when extra title belts and promoters ain’t killing boxing.

“If we could just get back to one belt and only the best fighting the best when men were men and on and on, over and over,” and so it goes on life’s wonderful merry-go-round.

Well, to be clear, the average fight fan is a rather unstudied lot, but then boxing as a business does little to educate the public as to the history of the sport, so in context, it is as it always was and forever shall be.

Promoters of course love catchweights for expanding the pool of prospective matchups that can be made and fighters themselves often jump when a lucrative opportunity presents itself, so let’s take a look at some of the bigger “catchweight” fights.

Kid Lavigne@131.5 vs Joe Walcott@131.5

Staged December 2nd, 1895 in Queens, New York, Barbados Joe Walcott was a squat, blocky welterweight in need of a big fight, so enter the manager of undefeated The Saginaw Kid Lavigne with a catchweight offer at 15 rounds, won by Lavigne by way of another stipulation of lasting the distance. Walcott’s manager put all his money in Walcott knocking out Lavigne. Keep in mind that the welter and lightweight limits were less by a few pounds than they are today and Walcott was coming off an open bout needing no weight limit and was at 138 lbs for that bout. They staged the rematch 2 yrs later with the Kid doing the honors, knocking out Barbados Joe who weighed 135 lbs for this bout.

Joe Gans@131 vs Battling Nelson@131lbs
Nelson vs Gans
Nelson vs Gans

This was Tex Rickard’s first big fight that established him as one of the greatest promoters ever, and what a dandy it was. Staged September 3rd, 1906 in the Nevada gold mining town of Goldfield, Rickard showcased the $33,000 purse as gold coins in the local bank’s store window, attracting the sporting crowds from all corners of the country.

Joe Gans was incrementally the bigger man, so Battling Nelson wouldn’t fight him without a weight stipulation of 131 lbs, being such a stickler that his camp insisted on weighing Gans at ringside just before the first bell. After 42 rounds of give and take action, Nelson had taken enough of a beating, delivering a blow so low and obvious that he was disqualified. Now I see Boxrec has “edited” the weights again along with the purse, so now the account of the fight is in disagreement with their record, but such are the always moving goalposts of boxing history. The point remains, Gans/Nelson fight is always reported as a catchweight fight.

Harry Lewis@149 vs Johnny Summers@141

Lewis vs Summers
Lewis vs Summers

Harry Lewis is an undersung fighter who held a portion of the welterweight title after the turn of the century. Staged January 25th, 1911 in London, England, the contracted weight was 144 lbs. Lewis was well over and paid a forfeit before knocking out Summers in the 4th round. He then announced he was moving up to middleweight where he finished his career. Fight conditions were very similar to the Mayweather/Marquez bout.

Henry Armstrong@142 vs Ceferino Garcia@153½

The Battle

Staged March 1st, 1940, this is a storied bout touted as Armstrong’s attempt to claim his 4th belt, but the truth of the matter is that only the state of California appeared to recognize the title, which, surprise, was split to smithereens! I see no indication it was reported as a catchweight fight, but I included it because in essence the conditions were near mirror image of the Pacquiao/Margarito fight.

Armstrong was well below the welter limit as was Pacquiao, and lifelong welterweight Garcia well below the middle limit, as was the Margarito career and weight. Some important differences are that Garcia did actually hold a portion of the middle title as recognized by the NYASC by beating Fred Apostoli, but the California fight was only for 10 rds, Another difference is the era with fighters like Margarito enhanced by modern weigh-in rules that give them as much as 36 hours to replenish fluids and nutrients before the fight. Margarito weighed a reported 167lbs in the ring, dwarfing Armstrong, Pacquiao, Garcia and most pre 90s middleweights in size.

Sugar Ray Leonard@165 vs Donny Lalonde@167

Staged at Ceasars PalaceNovember 7th in Las Vegas, Nevada, this fight had all the media hype of a typical Leonard fight plus much more thanks to creative manipulations by the WBC that allowed Leonard to challenge for both the supermiddleweight and LaLonde’s lightheavy title simultaneously in spite of neither making the LH limit. The well drained LaLonde was coming on strong, on the verge of knocking out Leonard before visibly running out of steam and being flattened in the 9th round. It was a good scrap, but emblematic of the extremes of what “catchweight” fights can go to. LaLonde was never the same after this, campaigning at cruiserweight to finish out his career.

Oscar De La Hoya@155 vs Bernard Hopkins@156

Staged September 18th, 2004 at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, the catchweight was actually at 158lbs, but Hopkins, having given up near every concession to the Goldenboy of boxing, got in his first shot early on by scaling in 2lbs below the contracted weight. He got in the last shot as well, flooring the surprisingly competitive De La Hoya with a left hook to the liver that kept him down for the 10 count in the 9th round.

Pretty much similar to the history of the thousands of catchweight fights in that there was seldom any controversy over the catchweight. That is until that modern subspecies, The Shiny Crusted **** Petardis, started streaming(screaming) into cyberspace.

So now with promoters aware that even a minor controversy sells, it looks like catchweights will be proliferating for better or worse into the foreseeable future of boxing.

In fairness though they didn't have all the extra divisions back then either. If GGG wants to make a BUSINESS decision he can go fight Canelo at 155 for the MW champion of the world, or if he simply wants to unify the division he needn't do anything as he is the mandatory challenger for Canelo's strap and that has to be fought at the 160 limit unless agreed to by both parties.

It's pretty simple, does Golovkin want the money or does he want to be undisputed champ?

[Bardock]

Punch Drunk You're a different type of ******!!! Your a FK'n FULL ******!

How the F'k can you still THINK. Let alone type with GGGs DIC and balls shoved down your throat. And one of his hands pushing down on the back of your head while the other is stoking your throat like a Turkey Gobler massaging his balls ball up and down???

[robbyheartbaby]

Someone please break it to Canelo and his team that there's no 155 division.

Agreed! Comfortable at 155?! I have never heard something so pathetic, either drop the belt like a b**** or go back to 154 and fight Lara again.

[Shadoww702]

I expect some demands to be thrown in but I just think its gonna take huge money to make it happen all the way down at 155lbs

157lbs seems fair, sometimes GGG hits weighin at 158 ish so I think it could be made.

Its a good fight and we have all the way until May to get this sorted out, time to haggle this out and see If an agreement can be made.

I agree. I want to see the fight but WTF is lil G kids crying soo bad when Canelo just fought 4 days ago??? And it's Caneol\s trainer talking NOT Canelo. How many, many, many, many times had GGG's Trainer said some WHACKED @ss sht???

[therealpugilist]

In fairness though they didn't have all the extra divisions back then either. If GGG wants to make a BUSINESS decision he can go fight Canelo at 155 for the MW champion of the world, or if he simply wants to unify the division he needn't do anything as he is the mandatory challenger for Canelo's strap and that has to be fought at the 160 limit unless agreed to by both parties.

It's pretty simple, does Golovkin want the money or does he want to be undisputed champ?

agreed