Razor Thin Fight Cotto Was Going to Get Jobbed Regardless

[New England]

That doesn't equate to 12 round decision!! This is what some of you guys don't seem to understand. Hopkins landed every telling blow in his first fight with Jermain Taylor, but he got controlled with a double jab for 8 rounds. In the last 4 rounds Taylor got his butt kicked. But he got the decision. This fight isn't the same, and again just to reiterate Canelo won on my card, but I can't see that this was not a close fight, because Canelo got outboxed in enough rounds to make it close. In other rounds he did damage and landed enough big shots to offset Cotto's boxing and workrate.

you're really ignoring what a "telling blow" is to try and give cotto a fight he did not win.


you go round by round to score aboxing match, and cotto didn't land the more telling blows in the balance of the rounds.


this was not a hard fight to score. one guy was getting hurt / effected by the other guy's punches. that's really what is at the heart of scoring a boxing match. you are trying to quantify damage.

[OnePunch]

I agree with you completely, I had it 7-5 Cotto but could, if pushed, see it as 7-5 Canelo because some rounds ,especially in the middle were very close. Fact is when Cotto was winning rounds, he was winning them comfortably. You can probably only say that about 2 or max 3 Canelo rounds.

The biggest issue here isn't Canelo winning but the margins that the judges had it by. It was madness, especially the 11-1 if I'm not mistaken.

Then again, 2 days ago I posted about Vegas bookmakers and how they were making Canelo 2-1...noway is vegas gonna lose out on that. Canelo was going to win regardless, unless he got KOd.

you obviously have no idea how sportsbooks operate. Hint: They couldnt care less who wins. Odds are set (and adjusted) merely to attract even amounts of money on both sides of the bet, and the spread and juice is where the book makes its money

[soul_survivor]

you obviously have no idea how sportsbooks operate. Hint: They couldnt care less who wins. Odds are set (and adjusted) merely to attract even amounts of money on both sides of the bet, and the spread and juice is where the book makes its money

You have no idea how Vegas works

[soul_survivor]

you're really ignoring what a "telling blow" is to try and give cotto a fight he did not win.


you go round by round to score aboxing match, and cotto didn't land the more telling blows in the balance of the rounds.


this was not a hard fight to score. one guy was getting hurt / effected by the other guy's punches. that's really what is at the heart of scoring a boxing match. you are trying to quantify damage.

So you must have had Chavez leading Taylor by 11-0 right?

[QballLobo]

So what, Cotto and Roach should have known that going in and adjusted. Just like the Lara fight, he pot shot and ran and then cried when he didn't get the decision knowing he was the underdog.
Not saying Cotto ran but he knew the odds weren't in his favor and Roach even said it before the fight he was telling Cotto he needed a KO to win. Either way Canelo won that fight clearly, if it makes Cotto fans feel better he won 7-5 IMO.

[sunny31]

you're really ignoring what a "telling blow" is to try and give cotto a fight he did not win.


you go round by round to score aboxing match, and cotto didn't land the more telling blows in the balance of the rounds.


this was not a hard fight to score. one guy was getting hurt / effected by the other guy's punches. that's really what is at the heart of scoring a boxing match. you are trying to quantify damage.

If you are going to ignore the fact that I have repeatedly said I have scored the fight for Canelo then I will not debate with you. I am not putting words in your mouth with what you are posting so don't do it to me if you want to have a debate. Round by round I have Cotto coming mighty close falling short 115-113 - this is the scorecard I have seen banded about the most on the net and on press row, as I already said I will break down my scoring later.

Damage done is not the heart of scoring a boxing match. The four main scoring criteria is clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense. I would say damage done matters but its definitely not the heart of scoring, the heart of scoring has always been based on hitting and not getting hit. You should really know that with that guy in your av. Plenty of fights where the guy who got beat up more, normally the boxer wins the decision.

[New England]

If you are going to ignore the fact that I have repeatedly said I have scored the fight for Canelo then I will not debate with you. I am not putting words in your mouth with what you are posting so don't do it to me if you want to have a debate. Round by round I have Cotto coming mighty close falling short 115-113 - this is the scorecard I have seen banded about the most on the net and on press row, as I already said I will break down my scoring later.

Damage done is not the heart of scoring a boxing match. The four main scoring criteria is clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense. I would say damage done matters but its definitely not the heart of scoring, the heart of scoring has always been based on hitting and not getting hit. You should really know that with that guy in your av. Plenty of fights where the guy who got beat up more, normally the boxer wins the decision.

why do you hit and not get hit in boxing?

what does a punch do, and how do we evaluate it?

the answer is damage. damage is the essence of scoring a pro boxing match. the other criteria are ameans to an end. you defend so you don't get damaged, and can damage your opponent. you an effective aggressor only if you are doing more damage. you are a ring general so you can avoid damage and so you can damage your opponent.


you don't know how to score a boxing match.

[OnePunch]

You have no idea how Vegas works

other than the excess action that gets laid off to them, they have basically no exposure and couldnt care less who wins

please tell me the last time a legitimate vegas book went out of business lol

[New England]

So you must have had Chavez leading Taylor by 11-0 right?

straw man argument.

[Vasyl’s dad]

If you are going to ignore the fact that I have repeatedly said I have scored the fight for Canelo then I will not debate with you. I am not putting words in your mouth with what you are posting so don't do it to me if you want to have a debate. Round by round I have Cotto coming mighty close falling short 115-113 - this is the scorecard I have seen banded about the most on the net and on press row, as I already said I will break down my scoring later.

Damage done is not the heart of scoring a boxing match. The four main scoring criteria is clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense. I would say damage done matters but its definitely not the heart of scoring, the heart of scoring has always been based on hitting and not getting hit. You should really know that with that guy in your av. Plenty of fights where the guy who got beat up more, normally the boxer wins the decision.

And Canelo dominated in all of those. His punches were much cleaner, his aggression was much more effective, and he controlled the pace of the fight and was far superior in defense. This happened in every round.