Espn: Golovkin To Sue Cotto

[Ray*]

Not a solicitor so can't really dissect what was legal or not, but the WBC has a lot to be accountable for here.

[M Bison]

That's some slimy shit from Cotto. He's screwed the WBC far worse than he's screwed Canelo and Golovkin though. And Canelo's got it worse than Golovkin too. He's given up a very big piece of the pie because Cotto had that belt.

Yes, It's even funnier that some bunch of broke kids living in a trailer park with mommy and daddy are defending a guy getting around $20+ million for this fight.

These people are the true definition of fanboys some of the worst users have shown themselves up for what they really are, Imagine If Ali acted like this throughout his career with this *****y attitude?

I think people throw the term HOF'er around far too much, maybe Cotto is HOF'er based on opponents he lost to but he certainly isn't a HOF guy on top level of opposition he has beat -
Zab Judah coming off of 3 losses in a row when he fought Cotto
Paulie Malinaggi guy who has no power, lost to Palbo Cesar Cano
Sergio Martinez coming off serious knee operation, had to fight with brace clearly didn't have same ring movement 39 years old at time too
Antonio Margarito catchweight, massively inactive and recovering from serious eye injury inflicted on him by Pacquiao, re-opens in the fight leads to Cotto winning

You want to judge other fighters careers but you don't want to give Cottos career a good look in?
Those are essentially Cottos best wins and all I'm doing is the same things everyone else does, when you're a midget and jumping up several weight classes and fighting average champions like stated above how impressive is that really?
Impressive If he beats the marquee fights but both marquee fights he lost, will he lose the third one?

[BrometheusBob.]

Not at all surprising news.

If someone backs out of an agreement to pay you $800k you'd do the exact same thing.

People have sued for way less.

[New England]

pretty sure this is the first time "step aside money" has made it into the public domain. i can't remember a sanctioning body ever admitting that it exists, for example.


this will get interesting. it sounds like the story from cotto and his crew of eyebrow tweezers is true. es la verdad, papi.

[techliam]

Oh please. Cotto had that leverage with or without the belt. Stop acting like you can quantify or qualify that. If Cotto had dropped the belt two days after he TKO'd Martinez, he'd still be the lineal champ and he'd still have the power at the negotiating table.

Of course you can't 'quantify or qualify' the value of the WBC title, even less so with the lineal title that you've mentioned.

But two questions are begging to be answered in regards to the title situation:

Do you think Cotto would have the exact same leverage without any title to his name?

Why did Cotto bother keeping the title up until this late point, knowing he must have paid step aside for defending it prior? You'd think he'd drop it before the Canelo fight materialised if the title really meant nothing

What are your thoughts?

there's no speculations or opinions on haglers toughness and willingness to fight anyone. So no.

Well we don't know that for certain do we, that he'd go up to 168. I'd bet my money on it, but it's just an opinion. You've used an example that others have used inversely to try justify some lame point, that GGG NEEDS to move up. Surely that's making you as bad as they are for using that logic... a logic you only went and condemned in a prior post regarding 'speculation and opinions'. I usually respect your posts, but come on man..

[Irony123]

I don't know what was signed and what wasn't between GGG and Cotto as far as step aside fee but i will say this if the step aside fee was agreed then Cotto will likely end up paying because of the following

1) Cotto had an advantage at the negotiating table (using the WBC as leverage)
2) This was marketed as a middle weight title bout and likely got more exposure than it would have otherwise

all of this was made possible due to the step aside agreement. So i think this would come down to 1 fact, are the sanctioning fees standard (i.e 3%?) if so then Cotto has no leg to stand on, because he was aware what the cost would be when the fight was made and backing up from the deal. Either way we can speculate all we want but it really comes down to what the step aside agreement was and the wording in the contract (if there was a written one).

What i don't understand is why the belt is still being contested for in this fight (for Canelo), it should automatically go to GGG unless it was done this way in hopes of Canelo winning and the belt pushing GGG and Canelo to a mega fight as i dont think Canelo would fight GGG if he wasn't being mandated by the WBC (at least not in the next couple of years)

[Dr Rumack]

Not at all surprising news.

If someone backs out of an agreement to pay you $800k you'd do the exact same thing.

People have sued for way less.

Not sure if that article says they're suing, or that they haven't ruled it out.

But yes. They're 100% right to sue if Cotto backtracks on their deal.

[IMDAZED]

Of course you can't 'quantify or qualify' the value of the WBC title, even less so with the lineal title that you've mentioned.

But two questions are begging to be answered in regards to the title situation:

Do you think Cotto would have the exact same leverage without any title to his name?

Why did Cotto bother keeping the title up until this late point, knowing he must have paid step aside for defending it prior? You'd think he'd drop it before the Canelo fight materialised if the title really meant nothing

What are your thoughts?



Well we don't know that for certain do we, that he'd go up to 168. I'd bet my money on it, but it's just an opinion. You've used an example that others have used inversely to try justify some lame point, that GGG NEEDS to move up. Surely that's making you as bad as they are for using that logic... a logic you only went and condemned in a prior post regarding 'speculation and opinions'. I usually respect your posts, but come on man..

Yes, I do think he'd have the same leverage.

[Chuckguy]

Co-tards and flo-tards unite! Perfect example is big Javi and ima fazed dazed and confused. But yet they talk about GGG fans and PAC fans. Don't you oops see it's th same sh it???
Hey Javi will you be around if Cotto gets his az handed to him?

[techliam]

pretty sure this is the first time "step aside money" has made it into the public domain. i can't remember a sanctioning body ever admitting that it exists, for example.


this will get interesting. it sounds like the story from cotto and his crew of eyebrow tweezers is true. es la verdad, papi.

I thought this too, however, i'm pretty sure I heard this too regarding Cotto-Geale

It makes you wonder about the legality of the concept of a 'step aside' - its almost akin to a bribe